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Posted on 12/12/18 at 9:58 pm to northshorebamaman
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It does. This is what I was getting at:
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anything that requires faith isn't objective at its core.
yeah, of course. If one could prove the existence of God and the divinity of Christ, it would undermine the foundation of Christianity which requires faith. There is no possibility of faith where there is no uncertainty. Within the framework of Christianity, one can only be saved through faith.
Personal feelings, such as faith, preclude the possibility of true objectivity. The best you can do is admit the logical challenges within your belief system that require the most faith.
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:15 pm to Masterag
When it comes to what people believe and how they established their beliefs is interesting to me.
You can meet someone who seems like a level headed person. A rational thinker, etc but then you find out that they have some out the box view and it's just like "how the frick does this person buy into this shite?"
I have a cousin, who is my age, we use to do a lot of things together. He and I use to buy LSU season tickets together (we each had a seat by each other), has an ISDS degree, works for some tech company or in tech at some company in lafayette..Just a regular dude who... All of a sudden he becomes a 7 day adventist? I think that's what it's called.
From what I understand their Sunday is on Saturday.. So he just completely stopped going to CFB games, stopped watching CFB, stopped deer hunting, etc. And I just can't wrap my mind around how people just get into shite like that. He is married, with two kids.. His wife isn't in it, it's just him. And it really blows my mind when people just gravitate to these things.
You can meet someone who seems like a level headed person. A rational thinker, etc but then you find out that they have some out the box view and it's just like "how the frick does this person buy into this shite?"
I have a cousin, who is my age, we use to do a lot of things together. He and I use to buy LSU season tickets together (we each had a seat by each other), has an ISDS degree, works for some tech company or in tech at some company in lafayette..Just a regular dude who... All of a sudden he becomes a 7 day adventist? I think that's what it's called.
From what I understand their Sunday is on Saturday.. So he just completely stopped going to CFB games, stopped watching CFB, stopped deer hunting, etc. And I just can't wrap my mind around how people just get into shite like that. He is married, with two kids.. His wife isn't in it, it's just him. And it really blows my mind when people just gravitate to these things.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:19 pm to Pecker
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If one could prove the existence of God and the divinity of Christ, it would undermine the foundation of Christianity which requires faith
Depends on what you define as god. What if we made god in our image, and not the other way around?
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:22 pm to OweO
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And it really blows my mind when people just gravitate to these things.
Insecurity, which fosters anxiety. There are questions he doesn’t know how to confront and or answer to himself honestly.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:35 pm to Dawgholio
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Everyone likes feeling comfortable believing what they want to believe and not what’s fact.
I think this is the case for a lot of people. They fear the truth or what they believe is a lot more simple than the truth.
Like the idea of no god. There are people who don't even question anything beyond their beliefs because anything outside of that is unthinkable to them.
I believe in a higher power, not in the traditional sense because I am really not sure what it is and I know there is a possibility I am wrong. As a kid, teenager.... and young adult, what I believed, what I thought. It was all based on religion. My family was not really all that religious, but I grew up Catholic so what I learned through religion is what I used as my code of ethics.
As I got older I figured out that I didn't have to "feel" about a certain issue just because that was part of what religious beliefs I was suppose to believe. I think some people just need that comfort zone. They need to have a set of rules on life to follow. And there is nothing wrong with that..
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:52 pm to Masterag
For the same reason people buy into conspiracy theories: it, paradoxically, makes them feel more in control.
Whether it’s god, or the lizard people, or whatever, by ceding ultimate control to something or someone else, it makes people feel safe, because it means someone or something out there is in control. The alternative is that there is no one at the wheel while we hurtle through space on this little blue and green ball of ours, and that fricking terrifies “normal” people.
Whether it’s god, or the lizard people, or whatever, by ceding ultimate control to something or someone else, it makes people feel safe, because it means someone or something out there is in control. The alternative is that there is no one at the wheel while we hurtle through space on this little blue and green ball of ours, and that fricking terrifies “normal” people.
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:09 pm to northshorebamaman
quote:Yes. I objectively looked at what the various beliefs claim, and Christ is the most logical and safest pick. Christ is the only only one who acknowledges that sin is the problem, it separates us from our Creator, and he offers a solution to sin. No other belief/religion does so.
Do you feel like you are objective when it comes to specific beliefs? As in Jesus as the son of God (just an example)?
The most amazing part of all this is how billions of people refuse to actually learn the specifics of Christianity yet dismiss it completely. Science is not logical. There is nothing objectively logical about believing in evolution. It is soundly retarded.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:45 pm to arcalades
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The most amazing part of all this is how billions of people refuse to actually learn the specifics of Christianity yet dismiss it completely.
I learned the specifics for about 18 years of indoctrination. As soon as I was old enough to make my own choices, I walked and dismissed it completely. I don’t mind folks who choose to believe, but I just don’t buy it.
The same stories of virgin birth of a messiah and such were believed in societies centuries before Christ in far flung areas. There is something in the human brain that makes that belief appealing.
Doug Stanhope asks, If a person arrived from outer space with no knowledge of earth or religion, went in a bookstore and picked up a Bible, how likely is it he would say, “This makes perfect sense. I believe every word of this.”?
Posted on 12/13/18 at 12:49 am to arcalades
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Science is not logical. There is nothing objectively logical about believing in evolution. It is soundly retarded.
I'd like to see you explain this a little bit more.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:04 am to arcalades
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Yes. I objectively looked at what the various beliefs claim, and Christ is the most logical and safest pick
All religions serve the same purpose. The point I’m making is why must you believe in any religion literally? Why must one be true and the others false? Can they not all be true and all be false?
Have you thought through those questions or even though to ask them?
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 1:06 am
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:07 am to Twenty 49
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“This makes perfect sense. I believe every word of this.”?
If the purpose is to understand humanity, it would make complete sense
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:33 am to Masterag
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If the purpose is to understand humanity, it would make complete sense
If an alien race read the Bible and compared it to the world's major religions, I imagine their most likely conclusion would be that the religion described by this book was no longer practiced and therefore was relegated to myth.
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 7:23 pm
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