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re: Megachurch pastor buys wife a $200,000 Lamborghini
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:34 pm to OweO
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:34 pm to OweO
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For those who have not seen this yet, watch this documentary.
Marjoe Gortner
For those who want a shorter version, here.
LINK
But was this guy really a fraud if he was putting the spirit into people? (I understand he was a fraud as far as his beliefs and what he did with the money...)
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:34 pm to MightyYat
el guacho has been at this a while
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:35 pm to sicboy
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sicboy
Which is all completely reasonable, and pretty much how it works at the church we now attend.
But stuff like the speaking fees, and a group of overseers who setting eachother's salaries....is not accountability and leads to this kind of stuff.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:35 pm to sicboy
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I want him to know his value based on a God who will never abandon him, made him just the way He wanted him, and has a purpose for him. That's what I want my children to know. If they reject that, I will mourn it but it's out of my hands, but I will still love them.
Couple thoughts on this....
1) The whole "God has a purpose for me/them" thing is simply a way to remove personal responsibility for anything good or bad that happens in your life because "well, it was God's plan for me to win the lottery, get cancer, etc"...how about you take control of your life and make shite happen? Believe in yourself.
2) If what you say about your child's purpose being predetermined, what if their purpose here is actually to NOT follow God and maybe be gay?
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:38 pm to oauron
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What I said is still true though. Go down the list of the pastors of the largest churches in the country and the vast majority make their living off books or outside of their church salary.
Right, but by his very lifestyle he is showing his true self is the antithesis of what he preaches. It doesn't matter where he's getting the money.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:38 pm to Wtodd
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Not IMO
I prefer to give of my time. It’s what Jesus did.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:40 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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how about you take control of your life and make shite happen? Believe in yourself.
You have this idea of people waiting around, being lazy, waiting for God to do things for them. The bible actually talks against laziness. We aren't going to raise our kids that way.
And the idea of purpose is more about even in a rotten situation, maybe a school or job you don't like, or where you live, realizing that God has you there for a reason, so sitting around moping about it is pointless and actually sin. Know the will of God, not just in your life, but His will in general, and find the reason you're in that spot.
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what if their purpose here is actually to NOT follow God and maybe be gay?
God doesn't lead us to sin.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:41 pm to sicboy
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I don't make them do anything. I present them the info, what I believe, and they have to make that decision.
So if your little kids say they don't want to go to church anymore you'll let them be?
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:42 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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So if your little kids say they don't want to go to church anymore you'll let them be?
of course not. He'll just teach harder.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:44 pm to AUjim
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is not accountability and leads to this kind of stuff.
Our church leaned a hard lesson about accountability a few years ago. Had a secretary who had learned to forge signatures writing checks to herself and a friend and contractors for an addition we were building weren't getting paid (which is how it was found out). Stole close to $500K over the course of 5 years or so.........I'm fuzzy on the timeline.
Now we have finance teams and checks and balances in place. You can be too trusting, obviously. Jesus said be as gentle as doves but as shrewd as serpents. Means be loving but be smart.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:48 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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So if your little kids say they don't want to go to church anymore you'll let them be?
My house was a "if you live under our roof", meaning we went to church if we lived there or we find another place to live if we were able. When the become of age and can make their own decisions, they are going to make their own decisions.
I grew up in a strict household, so me and my wife tend to shy away from such rigidity, but as long as they require someone to drive them around and would need a babysitter if we left the house, they're going to church. At 18, it's on them.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:48 pm to sicboy
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And the idea of purpose is more about even in a rotten situation, maybe a school or job you don't like, or where you live, realizing that God has you there for a reason, so sitting around moping about it is pointless and actually sin. Know the will of God, not just in your life, but His will in general, and find the reason you're in that spot.
Actually it's a way for people to justify remaining in said shitty situation as opposed to realizing that they may have been the reason they're in the situation and they're the only ones who can get themselves out of it.
You're doing right in your posts..."God has you there for a reason"...so "it's not my fault, God is teaching me something".
Sorry man, if you're at a shitty school, have a shitty job, are a drunk, etc...you have a hand in your being there, perhaps a shitty parent has a hand in why you're there, but you are the only one who is going to change it. You're not going to pray yourself out of it. Roll up your damn sleeves and take responsibility.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:49 pm to oauron
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John Gray makes a ton of money from speaking engagements and books. I wonder when people will realize that the very well off pastors of the world very rarely make a lot from the church they pastor. Osteen doesn't even take a salary from Lakewood, but his book sales are super high.
It is amazing when Pastors are preaching about growing the Church they conveniently leave out the lucrative Book and TV businesses.
Just imagine you and your investors grow a business/brand. It is all great and you couldn't have done it without your investors.
Then you create a new business and leave your investors out but basically use all your connections and brand built up from your original business. You use the same products rebranded. You even promote your new business at your old one. It is basically the same business but you don't share any of it.
That is MegaChurch Pastoring. You preach about growing something but the things that grow the church you keep for yourself.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:50 pm to sicboy
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but as long as they require someone to drive them around and would need a babysitter if we left the house, they're going to church. At 18, it's on them.
So they can start making their own decisions after your beliefs have been beaten into them for 18 years, got it. You definitely let them make up their own minds
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:50 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Sorry man, if you're at a shitty school, have a shitty job, are a drunk, etc...you have a hand in your being there, perhaps a shitty parent has a hand in why you're there, but you are the only one who is going to change it. You're not going to pray yourself out of it. Roll up your damn sleeves and take responsibility
Sure. And the bible does not contradict that.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:50 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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So they can start making their own decisions after your beliefs have been beaten into them for 18 years, got it. You definitely let them make up their own minds
man, you're passionate about this
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:51 pm to Chucktown_Badger
And again, I never said don't do anything about it. Look for another job if it's that bad.
Paul talked about it while in prison. He said he'd love to go home (heaven) and be rid of the suffering, but while he was still on earth, he could do work. Maybe you're in that job for a few months to reach out to someone in need.
Whatever situation you're in, there's a point to it, so while you're still there, don't sit there feeling sorry for yourself. Look for another job, sure, but still work hard, and be an example to those around you.
Paul talked about it while in prison. He said he'd love to go home (heaven) and be rid of the suffering, but while he was still on earth, he could do work. Maybe you're in that job for a few months to reach out to someone in need.
Whatever situation you're in, there's a point to it, so while you're still there, don't sit there feeling sorry for yourself. Look for another job, sure, but still work hard, and be an example to those around you.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:52 pm to 777Tiger
You're the one who won't let it go.
Pretty calm here
Pretty calm here
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:55 pm to sicboy
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You're the one who won't let it go.
just a casual observer my friend
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:56 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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So they can start making their own decisions after your beliefs have been beaten into them for 18 years
You need to get the stereotype of old school religious nuts forcing their kids to read their bible after homework and only wathching religious shows, if any tv at all.
We're not brow beating our kids or yelling at them about loving Jesus.
It's a pretty common practice for parents to raise their kids in the way they seem is right, but it's brainwashing if christians do it. Makes sense.
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