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re: Greatest Animated Movie of All-Time Tournament!! ROUND OF 64 ***voting closed***
Posted on 12/12/18 at 9:41 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Posted on 12/12/18 at 9:41 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Cant get behind emperors new groove being better than Finding Nemo.
Just never been a huge Finding Nemo fan myself, I can't stand Albert Brooks and Ellen annoys me in that role. I enjoy the rest of the cast and movie, but it's hard to get past the two main characters being nails on chalkboard for me. And I recognize it's a total me thing and I'm outside the norm on that.
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 9:44 pm to auyushu
I wanted to vote for Emperor’s New Groove, but I couldn’t justify it in my head. That movie is still fricking hilarious... but Nemo is clearly better. Not the biggest fan of Finding Nemo, but it’s definitely a good movie.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 9:46 pm to OMLandshark
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Now someone do this with The Sword in the Stone in comparison to Princess Mononoke. Oh wait you can’t, not only because they’re not even close in quality, but also almost none of you who voted for The Sword in the Stone have never seen Princess Mononoke and are lying about it in your votes.
See, I'm going to have to disagree with you there. Princess Mononoke is one of my favorite animated films of all time (probably 1b to Spirited Away 1a), and it's still a somewhat close call for me since Sword in the Stone is probably my favorite old school Disney film along with Jungle Book and Robin Hood. The Merlin-Witch battle from that flick is probably my favorite sequence from any Disney film from when I was a kid.
Now Brave little Toaster getting votes over Spirited Away is absurd.
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 9:50 pm
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:02 pm to auyushu
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Just never been a huge Finding Nemo fan myself, I can't stand Albert Brooks and Ellen annoys me in that role. I enjoy the rest of the cast and movie, but it's hard to get past the two main characters being nails on chalkboard for me. And I recognize it's a total me thing and I'm outside the norm on that
Fair enough. I can see that. Ellen is annoying to me too but she doesnt bother me in this.
Finding Nemo is one of my favorites, but I never watched Finding Dory just bc I know her character would wear on me.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:23 pm to auyushu
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The Merlin-Witch battle from that flick is probably my favorite sequence from any Disney film from when I was a kid.
I will meet your morphing crocodile witch with a headless all destroying deer-god of death.
And while this fight may not have been as visually impressive as Merlin vs the Witch, the symbolism of San vs Eboshi, I think is great. San perfectly represents nature (beautiful, savage, innocent, naive, bull headed) and Eboshi perfectly represents humanity (efficient, cunning, compassionate, cynical, brutal). I can’t think of two characters that more effectively represent their sides, with Ashitaka being the intermediary: YouTube
But you can remove literally over half the Sword and the Stone and still have the same plot. I don’t see how you can possibly say that it’s even remotely equivalent to a masterpiece like Princess Mononoke. It may be two and a half hours long, but I don’t think you can remove a frame in this film. If you watch the film a few times, you perfectly know the geography on where you are on the map despite never being shown one. How many movies can you say that about just by the visuals? Not fricking many especially on the scale of what Mononoke is.
And think of the influence of Princess Mononoke. What has the Sword in the Stone influenced? Mononoke was a game changer and people have been emulating it constantly since it’s release, both in animation and live action. I can’t think of a single film aside from Disney reusing some frames from their cheaper 60s-80s productions that it’s influenced.
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Now Brave little Toaster getting votes over Spirited Away is absurd.
Sorry, but the Brave Little Toaster is a better movie than the Sword in the Stone, and I prefer Mononoke to Spirited Away ever so slightly. Both masterpieces, but I love the story in Mononoke more.
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:35 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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iwyLSUiwy
I think you missed my response good sir....
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5) The Iron Giant
12) The Hunchback of Notre Dame
This caused me to erase my entire ballot
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:40 pm to TeddyPadillac
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You're arguing over 2 shitty movies that a handful of people are even aware exists, but Cars isn't good enough to make the field of 64?
I missed this post. Holy shite, you think fricking Cars should have made it in over Princess Mononoke? No use in questioning if you’ve seen it, but Jesus fricking Christ. Mononoke was introduced to Western Audiences as the Star Wars of animation. Cars is the laughing stock of Pixar that only exists to sell toys to little boys. It’s merchandising first and the film a distant second. That is why it doesn’t belong in this tournament.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:52 pm to Freauxzen
Yeah, that one made me want to vomit. That was basically a coin toss.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:55 pm to OMLandshark
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I don’t see how you can possibly say that it’s even remotely equivalent to a masterpiece like Princess Mononoke.
I don't think it is, hence I said Mononoke was one of my top two animated films of all time.
I'm just saying Sword in the Stone is also one of my favorites, particularly when I was a kid, so I can see people voting for it that aren't a fan of anime. You completely discounting it is equally as over the top as putting it over Mononoke. People are voting for their favorite movies here, nobody gives a crap about what other movies they have influenced when making their lists.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:59 pm to OMLandshark
You've mentioned how visually stunning it is a lot. For me, and this applies to anime in general, its ugly.
For me to enjoy anime, the story needs to blow me out of the water for me to enjoy it bc it is just not pretty to look at. The sharp lines to everything and exaggerated facial expressions just isn't a look that I like.
It took my buddy basically forcing me to watch anime bc he loved it so much and he knew I'd like it bc I just dont like the way the characters look.
I really enjoyed Trigun, Samurai Champloo, and a number of anime movies, but it was solely based on the story, not the looks. The story has to be good enough to not make me think about how ridiculous these people look.
So although I enjoy some of them, I wouldn't consider any of them visually stunning. To me. So its completely a personal opinion but I would imagine there are a number of people that feel that way.
For me to enjoy anime, the story needs to blow me out of the water for me to enjoy it bc it is just not pretty to look at. The sharp lines to everything and exaggerated facial expressions just isn't a look that I like.
It took my buddy basically forcing me to watch anime bc he loved it so much and he knew I'd like it bc I just dont like the way the characters look.
I really enjoyed Trigun, Samurai Champloo, and a number of anime movies, but it was solely based on the story, not the looks. The story has to be good enough to not make me think about how ridiculous these people look.
So although I enjoy some of them, I wouldn't consider any of them visually stunning. To me. So its completely a personal opinion but I would imagine there are a number of people that feel that way.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:59 pm to OMLandshark
I'll be honest I've seen Princess Mononoke several times. Other than Studio Ghibli being behind it, it's just a pretty balance of nature movie that Japan has put out by the thousands and Miyazaki had down several times prior. It's also more recent. Sword in the Stone has time, nostalgia, and familiarity on it's side and while being a weaker Disney entry it was also different from enough of the Disney of it's period for kids to remember it.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:02 pm to Freauxzen
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This caused me to erase my entire ballot
Cmon I'm listening. HoND just isn't on the same level to me. Maybe I'm missing something.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:06 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Cmon I'm listening. HoND just isn't on the same level to me. Maybe I'm missing something.
I just can't pick a winner.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:07 pm to iwyLSUiwy
HoND's opening and Hellfire were amazing.
Also somehow turning the cast of assholes in the book into likable people.
Also somehow turning the cast of assholes in the book into likable people.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:08 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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I'd be curious to hear how someone could like Rudolph over Inside Out. That one boggles the mind.
I'll bite
But by the way you asked the question there's no way you will entertain any response as valuable. The two possibilities for any comparison are that you either don't like one movie or really value the other.
I really didn't care for Inside Out. I thought it was careful to follow the ABCs of how to write a movie script but failed to tell a new story that I could enjoy. I know a lot of people really felt differently but for people who have spent time reading books on writing which emphasize the design of a plot, the basics of how to manipulate an audience's emotions with crude tools, and how the plot should be resolved then it sucks all of the joy out of that movie because there was just nothing interesting left to observe (everything rang hollow and unfolded predictably).
Rudolph is undoubtedly a children's movie that lacks the beauty of a movie like Monsters Inc or Up but it at least told a story that seemed new to me when I first saw it. It carries a simple message about Christmas and kindness that has some value that can be both taught and retained by its target audience. And its a classic that has lasted in the sphere of public affection for decades for those reasons. Inside Out was a good dose of haphazardly directed emotions but I would be shocked if children even 15 years from now (let alone 40 years from now) are still watching the movie. Because there's just not a lot there.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:11 pm to molsusports
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I really didn't care for Inside Out. I thought it was careful to follow the ABCs of how to write a movie script but failed to tell a new story that I could enjoy. I know a lot of people really felt differently but for people who have spent time reading books on writing which emphasize the design of a plot, the basics of how to manipulate an audience's emotions with crude tools, and how the plot should be resolved then it sucks all of the joy out of that movie because there was just nothing interesting left to observe (everything rang hollow and unfolded predictably).
Rudolph is undoubtedly a children's movie that lacks the beauty of a movie like Monsters Inc or Up but it at least told a story that seemed new to me when I first saw it. It carries a simple message about Christmas and kindness that has some value that can be both taught and retained by its target audience. And its a classic that has lasted in the sphere of public affection for decades for those reasons. Inside Out was a good dose of haphazardly directed emotions but I would be shocked if children even 15 years from now (let alone 40 years from now) are still watching the movie. Because there's just not a lot there.
100% agree about Inside Out. I think it aimed really high.....and just never hit. It was super shallow compared to more traditional Pixar films. It's funny. You'd think by making emotions "characters" that it would bring depth, but it really made the message way more thin.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:18 pm to Freauxzen
You have to. Right now! Sometimes in life you have to make tuff decisions and no matter what you choose, one of them is going to get hurt. It sucks that it has to be this way, but that other person will forgive you in time and maybe love you more for it.
It's like the kid who had a dog and a cat, his parents told him that he can only keep one..... wait, what are we talking about?
It's like the kid who had a dog and a cat, his parents told him that he can only keep one..... wait, what are we talking about?
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:21 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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You have to. Right now! Sometimes in life you have to make tuff decisions and no matter what you choose, one of them is going to get hurt. It sucks that it has to be this way, but that other person will forgive you in time and maybe love you more for it.
It's like the kid who had a dog and a cat, his parents told him that he can only keep one..... wait, what are we talking about?
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:31 pm to iwyLSUiwy
ANTARCTIC FROZEN NUTS REGION
1) Incredibles
16) Brave
8) Shrek
9) Heavy Metal
5) Robin Hood
12) Fantastic Mr. Fox
4) Akira
13) Tangled
6) Moana
11) How the Grinch Stole Christmas
3) Toy Story 3
14) An American Tale
7) Fantasia
10) Coraline
2) Kubo and the Two Strings
15) Grave of Fireflies
GHETTO AFRICAN JUNGLE REGION
1) Beauty and the Beast
16) Hercules
8) Watership Down
9) Mulan
5) The Iron Giant
12) The Hunchback of Notre Dame
4) Finding Nemo
13) Emperors New Groove
6) Ratatouille
11) The Fox and the Hound
3) Toy Story 2
14) Isle of Dogs
7) Cinderella
10) The Lego Movie
2) Inside Out
15) Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer
AUSTRALIAN FOSTERS BEER REGION
1) Lion King
16) Transformers
8) Wreck-It-Ralph
9) Batman: The Mask of Phantasm
5) The Jungle Book
12) Snow White
4) Aladdin
13) South Park: BLU
6) Sleeping Beauty
11) Big Hero 6
3) Coco
14) Charlotte’s Webb
7) 9
10) The Secret of Nihm
2) Nightmare Before Christmas
15) Lady and the Tramp
ASIAN GENERAL TSO'S CHICKEN REGION
1) Toy Story
16) Little Mermaid
8) Ghost in the Shell
9) Despicable Me
5) Spirited Away
12) The Brave Little Toaster
4) Monsters Inc.
13) Monsters University
6) Princess Mononoke
11) The Sword in the Stone
3) WALL-E
14) Rango
7) The Land Before Time
10) Pinocchio
2) Up
15) Yellow Submarine
1) Incredibles
16) Brave
8) Shrek
9) Heavy Metal
5) Robin Hood
12) Fantastic Mr. Fox
4) Akira
13) Tangled
6) Moana
11) How the Grinch Stole Christmas
3) Toy Story 3
14) An American Tale
7) Fantasia
10) Coraline
2) Kubo and the Two Strings
15) Grave of Fireflies
GHETTO AFRICAN JUNGLE REGION
1) Beauty and the Beast
16) Hercules
8) Watership Down
9) Mulan
5) The Iron Giant
12) The Hunchback of Notre Dame
4) Finding Nemo
13) Emperors New Groove
6) Ratatouille
11) The Fox and the Hound
3) Toy Story 2
14) Isle of Dogs
7) Cinderella
10) The Lego Movie
2) Inside Out
15) Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer
AUSTRALIAN FOSTERS BEER REGION
1) Lion King
16) Transformers
8) Wreck-It-Ralph
9) Batman: The Mask of Phantasm
5) The Jungle Book
12) Snow White
4) Aladdin
13) South Park: BLU
6) Sleeping Beauty
11) Big Hero 6
3) Coco
14) Charlotte’s Webb
7) 9
10) The Secret of Nihm
2) Nightmare Before Christmas
15) Lady and the Tramp
ASIAN GENERAL TSO'S CHICKEN REGION
1) Toy Story
16) Little Mermaid
8) Ghost in the Shell
9) Despicable Me
5) Spirited Away
12) The Brave Little Toaster
4) Monsters Inc.
13) Monsters University
6) Princess Mononoke
11) The Sword in the Stone
3) WALL-E
14) Rango
7) The Land Before Time
10) Pinocchio
2) Up
15) Yellow Submarine
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:33 pm to molsusports
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But by the way you asked the question there's no way you will entertain any response as valuable. The two possibilities for any comparison are that you either don't like one movie or really value the other.
Not at all. I can see that.
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I know a lot of people really felt differently but for people who have spent time reading books on writing which emphasize the design of a plot, the basics of how to manipulate an audience's emotions with crude tools, and how the plot should be resolved then it sucks all of the joy out of that movie because there was just nothing interesting left to observe (everything rang hollow and unfolded predictably).
I fell like their is dept to it though. I get the crude/over the top portion, which is typically not my thing, but I dont feel like I was being manipulated. A movie largely about emotions but yet manipulates the emotions, I mean I'll give them some credit for pulling off that odd feat
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Rudolph is undoubtedly a children's movie that lacks the beauty of a movie like Monsters Inc or Up but it at least told a story that seemed new to me when I first saw it. It carries a simple message about Christmas and kindness that has some value that can be both taught and retained by its target audience. And its a classic that has lasted in the sphere of public affection for decades for those reasons. Inside Out was a good dose of haphazardly directed emotions but I would be shocked if children even 15 years from now (let alone 40 years from now) are still watching the movie. Because there's just not a lot there
Fair enough. I guess Inside Out fell new to me even as an adult and I put a pretty good bit of stock in originality.
I do have to disagree that 15 years from now, kids wont be watching it. I don't put a ton of stock in critics but to be critically acclaimed as one of the best movies of the best studio out there, that tells me itll probably stick.
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