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re: 2015: Finished 10*-3 and the AD attempted to fire the head coach
Posted on 12/5/18 at 12:19 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 12/5/18 at 12:19 pm to SammyTiger
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And you’re defending it as a good season. So my question is, did Les lower the bar, or did you?
Expectations are fluid & year to year based on certain factors within the team.
As for this year....Sammy we haven’t played in a bowl game of this caliber in years.
how delusional can you be? Dude no one gives a shite was les Miles did 10 fricking years ago. It’s meaningless. The more I look into his last 2 full seasons the more embarrassed I am for y’all to try and make parallels.
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Posted on 12/5/18 at 12:20 pm to Lester Earl
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Thankfully 2019 looks like a year lsu can reposition themselves in the cfb hierarchy
And if they dont? How long does O get the benefit of lowered expectations? What do you think expectations should be for 2019?
Posted on 12/5/18 at 12:21 pm to bencoleman
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What's ridiculous is anyone thinking that this is actually the case. Coach O is going into year number 3. For year number 2 and considering some of the injuries that the team has had to deal with yes LSU had a good year.
It was a decent year ben.
Things absolutely must get better though. Orgeron is not at the point yet where you can say he's achieved the success we want to have at LSU yet. That's undeniable.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 12:21 pm to Lester Earl
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The more I look into his last 2 full seasons the more embarrassed I am for y’all to try and make parallels.
Yea, going 9-3 sucked.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 12:22 pm to Scoob
“ comments like that”
Those are troll like comments or comments of the more agenda driven among us than those using a rational thought process.
If anything, our past head coach raised the expectation levels for LSU football. That’s one of the reasons he was fired. He couldn’t continue to meet the expectation level that he had given us.
Nick didn’t give us back to back 10 win seasons. Miles did and when he stopped being able to produce them, his days were numbered. It didn’t help that his offense struggled way too much.
Of course, bis offense of 2015 has been more productive than anything we had in the last three years.
Those are troll like comments or comments of the more agenda driven among us than those using a rational thought process.
If anything, our past head coach raised the expectation levels for LSU football. That’s one of the reasons he was fired. He couldn’t continue to meet the expectation level that he had given us.
Nick didn’t give us back to back 10 win seasons. Miles did and when he stopped being able to produce them, his days were numbered. It didn’t help that his offense struggled way too much.
Of course, bis offense of 2015 has been more productive than anything we had in the last three years.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 12:24 pm to slackster
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You don't fire a coach with higher expectations to hire a coach with lower expectations.
That’s not how it works. Expectations are based on the state of the program, not who you hire.
Having championship expectations a year or 2 after having to fire your most winningest coach is so completely ignorant & irrational, even for Tigerdroppings.
Now, Coach O needs to rebuild that expectation. That is the goal. It’s not there yet, but 2019 is looking really good. And 2018 was an improvement on 2017. Steps in the right direction. And if doesn’t prove to get back level?? He’s gone. That simple
Posted on 12/5/18 at 12:26 pm to UpToPar
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And if they dont? How long does O get the benefit of lowered expectations? What do you think expectations should be for 2019?
It’s impossible to be specific about that right now. Cfb playoff aspirations are in sight, though.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 12:26 pm to Lester Earl
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As for this year....Sammy we haven’t played in a bowl game of this caliber in years. how delusional can you be?
That’s debatable.
The NYE6 aren’t on par with BCS bowls. Considering there are you know 6 compared to 4.
Sorry but now that the fiesta is t a BCS bowl why is it better than the Peach Bowl or the Cotton Bowl were before the CFP?
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Dude no one gives a shite was les Miles did 10 fricking years ago. It’s meaningless. The more I look into his last 2 full seasons the more embarrassed I am for y’all to try and make parallels.
This year is BARELY better than 2015 and that’s only if we win the bowl game.
Last year was worse than 2015 and only a game better than 2014. One of Miles’ worst seasons ever.
If we lose the bowl game you’d rank those 4 seasons 2015, 2018, 2017, 2014.
Yeah, Les’ last two season were fricking bad, and got him fired.
That’s not lowering the standard it’s not living up to it.
You’re fricking lowering the standard defending these last two seasons, which aren’t that much better.
Tell me some way this season is actually better than 2012 or 2013?
What logic can you possibly use to defend that point?
This post was edited on 12/5/18 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 12/5/18 at 12:28 pm to UpToPar
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Yea, going 9-3 sucked.
Naw, going 1-3 vs ark & miss losing by combined 31-86 sucked & was embarrassing
Losing 7-41 at auburn sucked
Your players not getting up to play for you sucked
Posted on 12/5/18 at 12:30 pm to SammyTiger
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Sorry but now that the fiesta is t a BCS bowl why is it better than the Peach Bowl or the Cotton Bowl were before the CFP?
What are you trying to say?
Posted on 12/5/18 at 12:34 pm to Lester Earl
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You had to fire the most winningest coach in LSU history. And you are sitting here pretending that the expectations should remain the same.
So yea, les Miles futility lowered expectations from what they once were.
I always like to hear your perspective, but happen to disagree here. Those teams that lost all of those games that got Miles fired didn't lose because of a lack of talent. They lost because Miles was stubborn and his time had just run it's course. Fast forward to Orgeron taking over and the expectations should stay the same IMO. If it was only coaching losing the games, why would the expectations be lowered?
Eta: awful misspelling
This post was edited on 12/5/18 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 12/5/18 at 12:35 pm to slackster
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Well we fired our coach during the 2016 season, so congratulations to Orgeron for having us in better position than we were without a coach.
Yeah. Not sure Ben thought that one through too much. Posted on 12/5/18 at 12:38 pm to Lester Earl
Dude use some context clues. I had 1 typo, andnits pretty fricking clear what I’m asking.
Why is the Fiesta in 2018 a better bowl than the Peach or Cotton bowls before the CFP?
It’s not a playoff game. It isn’t a BCS bowl. It’s not of the top 6 bowls sure, but so we’re the Peach and the cotton bowl Before the NYE6
Why is the Fiesta in 2018 a better bowl than the Peach or Cotton bowls before the CFP?
It’s not a playoff game. It isn’t a BCS bowl. It’s not of the top 6 bowls sure, but so we’re the Peach and the cotton bowl Before the NYE6
This post was edited on 12/5/18 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 12/5/18 at 12:41 pm to Lester Earl
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Having championship expectations a year or 2 after having to fire your most winningest coach is so completely ignorant & irrational, even for Tigerdroppings.
And what about having those same expectations for Miles in 2015 and 2016? If the expectations were championships in 2015 and 2016, and he's fired for not meeting those expectations, then they damn sure better be the same expectations for 2017 and 2018 or else you could have kept Miles.
In my opinion, Miles wasn't meeting expectations at the end, but those expectations are the same for Orgeron and he's not meeting them either. He's putting up the same seasons Miles was having at the end, the only difference is we're now told these seasons are great seasons. Without the CFP set up, we'd be in the Capital One Bowl and you know it, so spare me the NY6 fluff.
This year was better than last year, but the trend absolutely must improve greatly in 2019 for this experiment to continue.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 12:41 pm to Lester Earl
These last 3 years have sucked too
That’s everyone’s point
These years are more like 2014-2015 Les than 2005-2013 less.
That’s everyone’s point
These years are more like 2014-2015 Les than 2005-2013 less.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 12:43 pm to TigerLunatik
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Those teams that lost all of those games that got Miles fired didn't lose because of a lack of talent. They lost because Miles was stubborn and his time had just run it's course. Fast forward to Orgeron taking over and the expectations should stay the same IMO. If it was only coaching losing the games, why would the expectations be lowered?
The roster was talented on the top but the roster had holes at some positions. OL-DL-WR-QB
Who said only coaching was losing that game? Don’t put words in my mouth. The culture festered long enough to present some challenges for the next coach.
I think in year 2 going to a NY6 is pretty satisfactory to most rational people. With year 3 set up to be a really strong year. This isn’t anywhere close to what 2014-15 were. This felt like one of those solid transition years between the power teams Miles put out.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 12:45 pm to SammyTiger
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Why is the Fiesta in 2018 a better bowl than the Peach or Cotton bowls before the CFP?
lulz wat?
The Fiesta Bowl was a BCS Bowl and is in the CFB playoff rotation. The Cotton Bowl took the 3rd or 4th SEC team and the Peach took the 6th SEC team before the CFB playoffs.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 12:45 pm to SammyTiger
Sammy, I can’t use context because I’m not sure if you’re saying the fiesta was/wasn’t one of the bcs bowls. You do realize it’s been one of the big 4 bowl games, right?
Posted on 12/5/18 at 12:45 pm to Lester Earl
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This felt like one of those solid transition years between the power teams Miles put out.
I can somewhat agree with this, but only because we had seen Miles actually do it. We've yet to see that from Orgeron, so doubting it is understandable.
If it doesn't happen next year Lester, it simply won't happen.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 12:50 pm to Lester Earl
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Who said only coaching was losing that game? Don’t put words in my mouth.
I'm saying that. We had the talent to win all of those games you pointed out. We also had the talent to win 11 games this season.
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I think in year 2 going to a NY6 is pretty satisfactory to most rational people. With year 3 set up to be a really strong year.
I don't disagree with this at all. I think this year Orgeron did a good job. I disagree with people when they say it was a great job though.
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This isn’t anywhere close to what 2014-15 were.
I agree with this part too. I think it's two fold. One, the Miles message had grown stale in those years and it was time to go. Two, Coach O and his staff just flat out did a better job than the Miles staff did, especially in the losses.
I also agree with you that not all losses are created equal. But, I would point out that if inexperience and youth is going to be used in Orgeron's losses then it's fair to point out the true freshman QB in the 41-7 loss to Auburn.
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