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re: 12-1 Michigan > 11-1 Notre Dame > 12-1 Ohio State
Posted on 11/6/18 at 7:11 am to chalmetteowl
Posted on 11/6/18 at 7:11 am to chalmetteowl
quote:no it shouldn't. Other teams go 12-0 pr 11-1 and still have to play a ccg they dont. If they want to get rewarded for a conference championship join a damn conference
ND's case, going 12-0 or 11-1 should be equivalent to a conference championship
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Posted on 11/6/18 at 7:18 am to lionward2014
quote:We already know conference Championships are irrelevant Alabama and Ohio St proved that already. But even if they did matter, they would only matter for teams that are *gasp* actually in conferences.
That would be a test to see how much a conference championship matters.
Comparing Notre Dame and Michigan and saying well Michigan has a conference Championship and ND doesnt 1up for Michigan is as dumb as saying ND has 12 wins wearing gold helmets Michigan has 0 wins so 1up for ND
Posted on 11/6/18 at 7:43 am to xiv
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tOSU’s big loss to Purdue + weaker schedule will negate the slim winning % margin they’d have over 1-loss ND.
It’s not possible for Michigan and tOSU to both go 12-1. Even I’d tOSU was currently undefeated it’s not possible for both Michigan and tOSU to play 13 games before the bowls
ETA: this topic was poorly worded
You could just say if Notre Dame loses 1 game they probably won’t make the playoffs
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 7:57 am
Posted on 11/6/18 at 7:51 am to chalmetteowl
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in ND's case, going 12-0 or 11-1 should be equivalent to a conference championship
There is no equivalent to a conference championship when you refuse to join a conference.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:00 am to xiv
quote:
by xiv
Haven't seen you post on here in a long time. Welcome back.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:12 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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no it shouldn't. Other teams go 12-0 pr 11-1 and still have to play a ccg they dont. If they want to get rewarded for a conference championship join a damn conference
Bama and OSU both got in without going to the CCG. It isn't the end-all-be-all when the criteria is best 4.
BUT, their schedule this year is not as they had hoped, with only Michigan really being great. It would be hard to include them over a one-loss conference champ this year if they drop a game.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:13 am to VerlanderBEAST
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We already know conference Championships are irrelevant Alabama and Ohio St proved that already.
Some people just refuse to get it. 
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:35 am to VerlanderBEAST
quote:only one loss conference champion to miss the playoffs has been TCU/Baylor because of the co-champ crap.
We already know conference Championships are irrelevant
And you're bringing up two teams, and completely ignore the circumstances in which they they made it. What Ohio State and Bama proved is that conf championship isn't the be all and end all, not that they don't matter.
The alternative in those cases would have been a two loss conference champion. When a one loss non conf champ gets in over a one loss conf champ, then we can talk.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:35 am to Zanzibaw
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There is no equivalent to a conference championship when you refuse to join a conference.
There is 0 reason for Notre Dame to join a conference, especially if we go 11-1 and make the playoffs. Get 5 ACC games a year, every single game is on easily accessible national TV, and get the ACC bowl bids. Without having to play a full conference schedule we also got to schedule 2 PAC12 games, 2 Big 10 games, and an SEC game. Notre Dame will have played a team from 4/5 of the P5 conferences, name another school to do that?
Now explain why it is we should join a conference?
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 9:37 am
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:49 am to xiv
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Basically UM’s SOS will be somewhere around #5 if they win out; ND’s will be ~25; tOSU’s will be ~40.
I'm not going to lie, the older I get, the dumber SOS is to me. Who cares if you beat a bunch of average teams.
If team A plays 12 teams all ranked between 40-60 in the country and team B plays 4 teams in the top 10 and 8 teams ranked 90-120, SOS will probably have team A's schedule as tougher. Which schedule are you more likely to lose 2-3 games playing if you're a good team (hint, it's Team B's schedule)?
It is important to look at, but people throw it around like that should end all debate.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:52 am to castorinho
quote:Correct. Georgia got in last year and wouldn’t have without winning the SECCG. In 2011 Alabama got in over Oklahoma State, who also didn’t play a conference championship game.
And you're bringing up two teams, and completely ignore the circumstances in which they they made it. What Ohio State and Bama proved is that conf championship isn't the be all and end all, not that they don't matter.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:54 am to lionward2014
quote:Not impossible for ND to go 11-1 and end up at #5 behind 13-0 Alabama, 13-0 Clemson, 12-1 Michigan, and 12-1 Oklahoma.
There is 0 reason for Notre Dame to join a conference, especially if we go 11-1 and make the playoffs.
What would you think then?
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:56 am to castorinho
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only one loss conference champion to miss the playoffs has been TCU/Baylor because of the co-champ crap.
Well that year there was 1 undefeated P5 Champ and 4 P5 champs with 1 loss plus TCU so at least 2 were getting left out
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:57 am to Buckeye06
If you play four top ten teams and lose two of them while taking relatively few body blows with the rest of your schedule, haven’t you shown us exactly why you shouldn’t be in the playoff?
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:59 am to xiv
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Not impossible for ND to go 11-1 and end up at #5 behind 13-0 Alabama, 13-0 Clemson, 12-1 Michigan, and 12-1 Oklahoma.
What would you think then?
lol, according to this pleb logic, ohio state should have gone independent last year AFTER WINNING THEIR CONFERENCE and being left out of the playoffs
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:01 am to rocket31
quote:11-2
lol, according to this pleb logic, ohio state should have gone independent last year AFTER WINNING THEIR CONFERENCE and being left out of the playoffs
Come on.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:02 am to lionward2014
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There is 0 reason for Notre Dame to join a conference
conferences are dated.
the future is independent football where the big boys drop the bottom tier leach programs. lol at ohio state or michigan being content with sharing B1G money with Rutgers.
once one makes the move, the dominoes will fall across the country
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:05 am to xiv
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11-2
Come on
conference championship games can either hurt your cause or help it; its not an 100% positive as it also gives you another chance at losing
lets say michigan finishes 11-1: do you really think they are going to want to risk a B!G title game vs northwestern ?
winning that game does nothing to boost their resume
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 10:11 am
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:05 am to rocket31
quote:Hasn’t really amounted to much for ND, has it?
lol at ohio state or michigan being content with sharing B1G money with Rutgers.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:10 am to xiv
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Not impossible for ND to go 11-1 and end up at #5 behind 13-0 Alabama, 13-0 Clemson, 12-1 Michigan, and 12-1 Oklahoma. What would you think then?
I think you are way to hung up on the 12-1 being a better record than 11-1 like the rest of us don’t understand some complicated model
but it’s a half game and I care more about the # of loses rather than an extra game because 1 team isn’t in a conference or doesn’t have a CCG, (if it was up to me I’d eliminate the CCG but that’s a different discussion) A 1 loss ND vs 1 loss Michigan is obviously a fascinating discussion given the head to head but I agree UM had a tougher schedule the ND loss was at ND, I give more value to winning on the road) and UM would have a conference title (I value conference titles but feel it should be decided in the regular season record rather than a CCG) so I’d have no problem with UM getting in.
1 loss tOSU over ND is easier for me since I don’t care about “quality of loss”, both would have beaten UM at home, tOSU has a better SOS and conference title.
The better discussion there would be 12-1 tOSU vs 12-1 OU assuming 13-0 Alabama, 13-0 Clemson 12-0 Notre Dame
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