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Some non-Anti-O-Nega from a guy everyone knows is Nega when it comes to O
Posted on 11/4/18 at 11:54 am
Posted on 11/4/18 at 11:54 am
Look. I was WAY negative about the O hire. Everyone knows that. But, I think the meltdown after Saturday is immensely overwrought. First, yes, I still think Coach E is the wrong man for the job. Frankly, the entire season shows that. However, I honestly have to say that thus far, I feel like O has done better than I expected. But, let's talk Saturday.
1. The people comparing our scoring to other teams vs Bama this year are immediately recognizable as football ignorant. We are literally the first team whose defense showed ANY ability to keep Bama from scoring at will.
2. It may well be that we are the last team this season to do that also. It's annoying to admit it but here's reality regarding Bama.
A) They fricking won a national title 3 years ago with a damned Safety playing QB.
B) 2 years ago, they almost won a title with basically a TE playing QB.
C) Last year, the won a title with basically a TE playing QB for all but the last 5 minutes of the season.
Bama isn't just a little better than everyone else. They're a LOT better than everyone else. Sure. There's a reason that you still play the games. Every now and then, a less team sneaks up on someone. That doesn't change reality.
REALITY is this. We had ZERO offensive starters tonight that would have started for Bama. It's arguable that we had ZERO who would have been on their two deep.
On defense, it's slightly better, but, we had ZERO DL who would have even been in the Bama rotation. And, frankly, only D. White would have been in the LB rotation.
Coaching can do a lot of things. But, Nick Saban can't bring the Bama HS state champs to go play La. Tech and hope to win. Talent matters.
3)But bottom line, it's still a VERY real possibility that LSU goes 10-2 this year and frankly, I didn't consider that remotely possible this year given our talent problems on offense. And make no mistake, we have SUBSTANTIAL talent problems on offense.
1. The people comparing our scoring to other teams vs Bama this year are immediately recognizable as football ignorant. We are literally the first team whose defense showed ANY ability to keep Bama from scoring at will.
2. It may well be that we are the last team this season to do that also. It's annoying to admit it but here's reality regarding Bama.
A) They fricking won a national title 3 years ago with a damned Safety playing QB.
B) 2 years ago, they almost won a title with basically a TE playing QB.
C) Last year, the won a title with basically a TE playing QB for all but the last 5 minutes of the season.
Bama isn't just a little better than everyone else. They're a LOT better than everyone else. Sure. There's a reason that you still play the games. Every now and then, a less team sneaks up on someone. That doesn't change reality.
REALITY is this. We had ZERO offensive starters tonight that would have started for Bama. It's arguable that we had ZERO who would have been on their two deep.
On defense, it's slightly better, but, we had ZERO DL who would have even been in the Bama rotation. And, frankly, only D. White would have been in the LB rotation.
Coaching can do a lot of things. But, Nick Saban can't bring the Bama HS state champs to go play La. Tech and hope to win. Talent matters.
3)But bottom line, it's still a VERY real possibility that LSU goes 10-2 this year and frankly, I didn't consider that remotely possible this year given our talent problems on offense. And make no mistake, we have SUBSTANTIAL talent problems on offense.
This post was edited on 11/4/18 at 11:55 am
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Posted on 11/4/18 at 11:57 am to ShortyRob
We have substantial schematic and talent problems on offense. Over 2 years into the O regime. With no signs of improvement.
Our defense and special teams are excellent. Elite. Kudos to O for not letting those relapse. But we've had excellent defenses and special teams consistently under Les. The problem was offense. Our new coach needed to fix offense. That simple. We have regressed on offense. Thus the hire has been a failure to this point
Our defense and special teams are excellent. Elite. Kudos to O for not letting those relapse. But we've had excellent defenses and special teams consistently under Les. The problem was offense. Our new coach needed to fix offense. That simple. We have regressed on offense. Thus the hire has been a failure to this point
Posted on 11/4/18 at 12:00 pm to ShortyRob
You cannot talk about the 'talent gap' and accuse others of being football ignorant.
LSU recruits as well as Ohio State, Clemson and Georgia: teams that beat Alabama or at least take them down to the wire.
LSU recruits elite offensive talent and then squanders them. That's not on the 'talent gap' -- that's on the coaches failing to improve or develop the elite talent they have.
LSU recruits as well as Ohio State, Clemson and Georgia: teams that beat Alabama or at least take them down to the wire.
LSU recruits elite offensive talent and then squanders them. That's not on the 'talent gap' -- that's on the coaches failing to improve or develop the elite talent they have.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 12:02 pm to ShortyRob
There you go with rationality.
Rantards don't deal in rationality.
Rantards don't deal in rationality.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 12:09 pm to ShortyRob
So was sacrificing "talent" in last year's class and the whole Line shakesups that occurred a good thing or bad thing? Your argument is talent, but we've recruited significantly worse since O was hired.
That was a pretty big point of contention, and it was usually couched as "O knows what he is doing. We need depth." But why does that depth matter if we make the assumption that a 3-star has no place on the field with a 5-star, which is what this post basically says.
That getting a 3-star OLine to add depth over a 4-5 star skill position was probably a bad move.
(And I'm just trying to find the consistency, I like the rational approach, but maybe the answer still is "O doesn't know how to run a program," as he took incorrect risks if we were to assume the talent is the big problem.)
And I'll say here, I actually agree, but that's because the expectations were extremely low. Yes he's surprised, but he's also shown no signs he can lead LSU to a championship. He was woefully underprepared yesterday.
That was a pretty big point of contention, and it was usually couched as "O knows what he is doing. We need depth." But why does that depth matter if we make the assumption that a 3-star has no place on the field with a 5-star, which is what this post basically says.
That getting a 3-star OLine to add depth over a 4-5 star skill position was probably a bad move.
(And I'm just trying to find the consistency, I like the rational approach, but maybe the answer still is "O doesn't know how to run a program," as he took incorrect risks if we were to assume the talent is the big problem.)
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However, I honestly have to say that thus far, I feel like O has done better than I expected.
And I'll say here, I actually agree, but that's because the expectations were extremely low. Yes he's surprised, but he's also shown no signs he can lead LSU to a championship. He was woefully underprepared yesterday.
This post was edited on 11/4/18 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 11/4/18 at 12:22 pm to ShortyRob
Is recruiting guards to transfer to tackle the norm or is that something LSU does? The guy's look slow as hell to me
This post was edited on 11/4/18 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 11/4/18 at 12:35 pm to ShortyRob
i hoped we could give bama a run for their money but the sad fact is we give them more help at wearing out our defense with the hurry up then they did. i saw a few series we "maybe" took 30-40 seconds off the clock before punting it back to bama, most surprisingly late in the first half when there was still hope devins return could provide some spark if we just run out the clock and make it to half time only down 16. 
im no nega-tiger or cheer-e-O so i was not expecting to win but hoping they surprise me.
the sad fact is we just have no line blocking but far beyond that, we had no plan to slow the game down to rest our defense, which was the only chance we had was for them to be well rested to give bama fits and keep the scoring low.
poor play calling and very strange, even stupid at times strategy cost us a lot more then being physically outmatched last night. its like they had a thought of how to "maybe" catch bama off guard at times and tried to make it their whole strategy with no thought at all to what that would do to our defense.
in the end, had we employed a regular normal game plan, i still think we lose but our defense holds then to 16-19 points. its clear we were boys trying to play against men and coaching and all that was just a secondary condition to add to it
im no nega-tiger or cheer-e-O so i was not expecting to win but hoping they surprise me.
the sad fact is we just have no line blocking but far beyond that, we had no plan to slow the game down to rest our defense, which was the only chance we had was for them to be well rested to give bama fits and keep the scoring low.
poor play calling and very strange, even stupid at times strategy cost us a lot more then being physically outmatched last night. its like they had a thought of how to "maybe" catch bama off guard at times and tried to make it their whole strategy with no thought at all to what that would do to our defense.
in the end, had we employed a regular normal game plan, i still think we lose but our defense holds then to 16-19 points. its clear we were boys trying to play against men and coaching and all that was just a secondary condition to add to it
Posted on 11/4/18 at 12:53 pm to ShortyRob
Coach O has been recruiting with us for at least 4 years...where is all the talent? Are we not developing it, or evaluating poorly?
Posted on 11/4/18 at 1:28 pm to ShortyRob
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We are literally the first team whose defense showed ANY ability to keep Bama from scoring at will
That has nothing to do with us not being able to score a single point.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 1:31 pm to ShortyRob
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And make no mistake, we have SUBSTANTIAL talent problems on offense
No one is arguing otherwise. But those talent problems are compounded infinitely by terrible offensive coaching.
People keep acting like player talent deficits and coaching problems are mutually exclusive when in fact they complimented each other in a very negative way last night.
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