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Unanimous Juries- How ya votin and why?
Posted on 10/26/18 at 9:59 am
Posted on 10/26/18 at 9:59 am
I've been on the fence all week. I've reached out to a bunch of people to get their takes in an effort to formulate my opinion. Figured I'd get the opinions of the Board, as well.
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Posted on 10/26/18 at 10:02 am to The Johnny Lawrence
How non-unanimous juries in criminal trials survive constitutional scrutiny is beyond me. The presence of 1 or 2 jurors out of 12 who vote not guilty seems to be the definition of reasonable doubt.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 10:02 am to The Johnny Lawrence
I'm voting no as a a result of my personal experience being on a criminal case jury.
A jury voting 10-2 to convict on non-capital offense cases is okay with me.
A jury voting 10-2 to convict on non-capital offense cases is okay with me.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 10:03 am to The Johnny Lawrence
I am voting no.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 10:04 am to SCLibertarian
quote:Nah, there could be 1 or 2 jurors who don't base their opinion on the evidence but on emotions instead.
The presence of 1 or 2 jurors out of 12 who vote not guilty seems to be the definition of reasonable doubt.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 10:04 am to The Johnny Lawrence
Apparently it works in 96% of the states. Why wouldn't it work in Louisiana?
Why does Louisiana have to be different?
Why does Louisiana have to be different?
Posted on 10/26/18 at 10:05 am to The Johnny Lawrence
I prefer unanimous juries
Posted on 10/26/18 at 10:10 am to WildTchoupitoulas
"Because 48 other States do it" isn't a reason to do it, imo.
It is a reason not to worry about what would happen if we went to unanimous juries.
I just don't love doing something because other people or States have done it without first analyzing the underlying reasons it is better or more appropriate.
It is a reason not to worry about what would happen if we went to unanimous juries.
I just don't love doing something because other people or States have done it without first analyzing the underlying reasons it is better or more appropriate.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 10:12 am to LSURussian
Care to expound on your experience?
I've spoken with someone who has served on a 10-2 jury and they have the same opinion. I don't think the jury process is one that is easy to grasp until you've dealt with it in some form or capacity.
I've spoken with someone who has served on a 10-2 jury and they have the same opinion. I don't think the jury process is one that is easy to grasp until you've dealt with it in some form or capacity.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 10:16 am to The Johnny Lawrence
I’ve served on a jury twice. Stunning why people vote the way they do.
First time serving was a murder trial. Video of defendant being interrogated is shown. He lays out entire story start to finish. Easy guilty. This guy votes not guilty because a woman who helped set up dead guy got immunity for testifying. He said he she’s not going to jail then the other guy won’t either if he can help it.
Second was a murder also. 5 people testified to witnessing defendant shoot dead guy. Easy guilty again. Guy votes not guilty because he says there are too many black folks in prison and he wasn’t going to send another one to prison. Other jury members asked if he thought the guy was guilty. He laughed and said hell yes but I’m not sending him to prison.
I don’t favor unanimous juries for these reasons.
First time serving was a murder trial. Video of defendant being interrogated is shown. He lays out entire story start to finish. Easy guilty. This guy votes not guilty because a woman who helped set up dead guy got immunity for testifying. He said he she’s not going to jail then the other guy won’t either if he can help it.
Second was a murder also. 5 people testified to witnessing defendant shoot dead guy. Easy guilty again. Guy votes not guilty because he says there are too many black folks in prison and he wasn’t going to send another one to prison. Other jury members asked if he thought the guy was guilty. He laughed and said hell yes but I’m not sending him to prison.
I don’t favor unanimous juries for these reasons.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 10:16 am to The Johnny Lawrence
I've had the same experience. One stand out juror would simply not accept the facts. The one juror apparently had preconceived findings not based on fact when 11 others easily agreed the evidence was clearly enough to remove all doubt. A travesty averted with the non-unanimous jury system.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 10:17 am to SCLibertarian
quote:This makes zero sense.
The presence of 1 or 2 jurors out of 12 who vote not guilty seems to be the definition of reasonable doubt.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 10:17 am to The Johnny Lawrence
Posted on 10/26/18 at 10:18 am to LSURussian
quote:
A jury voting 10-2 to convict on non-capital offense cases is okay with me.
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Posted on 10/26/18 at 10:18 am to The Johnny Lawrence
The Supreme Court consist of 9 justices (jurors). Cases before the court are decided with a minimum of 5 out 9 jurors in agreement. 5 to 4 majorities at the Supreme Court have sent people to the death chamber.
The US Constitution does not require 12 person juries, nor does it require unanimous agreement among a jury for a guilty verdict.
The US Constitution does not require 12 person juries, nor does it require unanimous agreement among a jury for a guilty verdict.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 10:21 am to TigerVespamon
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The Supreme Court consist of 9 justices (jurors). Cases before the court are decided with a minimum of 5 out 9 jurors in agreement. 5 to 4 majorities at the Supreme Court have sent people to the death chamber.
This betrays an almost staggering lack of understanding of the burdens and standards at play. Criminal jury trials != civil jury trials != appellate courts
Posted on 10/26/18 at 10:22 am to The Johnny Lawrence
No...
Posted on 10/26/18 at 10:22 am to The Johnny Lawrence
quote:
I've been on the fence all week. I've reached out to a bunch of people to get their takes in an effort to formulate my opinion. Figured I'd get the opinions of the Board, as well.
The wife has served on a jury where the evidence was overwhelming but one a-hole absolutely refused to convict. That sort of shite is why I am fine with keeping the law as it is.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 10:27 am to Joshjrn
quote:Please elaborate.
Criminal jury trials != civil jury trials != appellate courts
Posted on 10/26/18 at 10:27 am to The Johnny Lawrence
Its supposed to be difficult to convict someone, and someone voting no tells me theres reasonable doubt. 12 angry men is a great story about that.
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