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Jobs vs. Gates
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:45 am
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:45 am
Who was the better CEO and why?
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Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:46 am to Globetrotter747
Gates because he's alive....I kid.
I still think Gates because he allowed his product to proliferate the market and become better due to innovation from the beginning. It took Jobs damn near 3 decades to do that.
I still think Gates because he allowed his product to proliferate the market and become better due to innovation from the beginning. It took Jobs damn near 3 decades to do that.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:52 am to LSU316
quote:duh. and it STILL is no matter how many apple tards think Mac is a huge market.
still think Gates because he allowed his product to proliferate the market and become better due to innovation from the beginning.
quote:in one sector. Phones. not because it was the first of its kind. but because they marketed it the best something has ever been marketed.
t took Jobs damn near 3 decades to do that.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:56 am to CarRamrod
All facts.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 11:08 am to LSU316
and a downvote. 
Posted on 10/19/18 at 1:42 pm to Globetrotter747
Gates by a mile. Jobs was the king of dicks.
Although Gates wouldn’t have been near as successful without Jobs.
Jobs was a visionary, Gates was a businessman.
Although Gates wouldn’t have been near as successful without Jobs.
Jobs was a visionary, Gates was a businessman.
This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 10/19/18 at 7:29 pm to colorchangintiger
They were both tools and it would of sucked to work with either.
Jobs had the better eye for design, Gates was much better at business.
Jobs had the better eye for design, Gates was much better at business.
Posted on 10/20/18 at 9:24 am to Globetrotter747
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better CEO
Gates on the business side
Gates would have been a lot easier to work for (for all tense and purposes Jobs was a massive dick to every single person he came in contact with)
and lastly: Gates for the efficiencies we have in businesses across the globe today: without the office suite and ease of creation tools in DOS (and the proliferation of these tools across the globe) this is a very different looking world
ETA: before his death Jobs had realize what having good Enterprise tools on Mac could do for Apple and had even has some people create some cool tools... Tim Cook scraped these things once he took over
This post was edited on 10/20/18 at 9:29 am
Posted on 10/20/18 at 4:50 pm to Globetrotter747
From Jobs' wiki page:
Gates was never forced out of Microsoft, didn't use LSD (that we know of), worked 15 hour days 7 days a week practically the entire time even though he was already hugely wealthy. Oh, and now he's running probably the world's largest philanthropy. And is still insanely wealthy despite giving away a good chunk of his wealth.
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once told a reporter that taking LSD was "one of the two or three most important things" he had done in his life.
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Jobs and Wozniak co-founded Apple in 1976 to sell Wozniak's Apple I personal computer.
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Jobs was forced out of Apple in 1985 after a long power struggle with the company's board
Gates was never forced out of Microsoft, didn't use LSD (that we know of), worked 15 hour days 7 days a week practically the entire time even though he was already hugely wealthy. Oh, and now he's running probably the world's largest philanthropy. And is still insanely wealthy despite giving away a good chunk of his wealth.
Posted on 10/20/18 at 7:39 pm to LSU316
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It took Jobs damn near 3 decades to do that.
If this is about who is the better CEO, Steve Jobs was not CEO of Apple until 1997...
This post was edited on 10/20/18 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 10/20/18 at 7:40 pm to foshizzle
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didn't use LSD (that we know of)
Yes he did. Spoke about it to Playboy in a 1994 interview. Also, what does LSD use have to do with anything anyway? It's certainly not a negative... don't be an idiot.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 5:55 pm to CarRamrod
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n one sector. Phones. not because it was the first of its kind. but because they marketed it the best something has ever been marketed.
Apple didn't invent any of the tech in the iPhone, but they were the first to put all these separate technologies (touch screen, etc) into one device. And, yeah, marketing too.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 11:05 pm to CarRamrod
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in one sector. Phones. not because it was the first of its kind. but because they marketed it the best something has ever been marketed.
Is this where we pretend the release of the iPhone wasn't a huge turning point in the way the world uses technology?
Posted on 10/23/18 at 7:00 am to tlsu15
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Is this where we pretend the release of the iPhone wasn't a huge turning point in the way the world uses technology?
It really wasn't because when the OG iPhone was released more people bought Windows Mobile phones which were doing the same thing. Once the marketing machine kicked in and Apple released the 3g is when people really started to buy iPhones over anything else available at the time.
Posted on 10/23/18 at 8:10 am to LSU316
quote:LSU316 squashing appletards dreams, one at a time.
Is this where we pretend the release of the iPhone wasn't a huge turning point in the way the world uses technology?
It really wasn't because when the OG iPhone was released more people bought Windows Mobile phones which were doing the same thing. Once the marketing machine kicked in and Apple released the 3g is when people really started to buy iPhones over anything else available at the time.
Posted on 10/23/18 at 8:22 am to LSU316
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people bought Windows Mobile phones which were doing the same thing.
60 fps, multi-touch, capacitive screen, threaded text messaging, pinch to zoom, YouTube? In 2008 the biggest screen on a Windows Mobile phone was the HTC Touch with a 2.8" screen. And it was plastic, not glass.
Posted on 10/23/18 at 8:30 am to Globetrotter747
quote:I don't think it's a function of CEO-ness. These people were obsessed with what they believed in. They worked their asses off before you knew who they were.
Who was the better CEO and why?
Read this excerpt from Malcolm Gladwell's "Outliers". LINK Of note is the "10,000-Hour Rule": Nobody who succeeds does so without 10,000 hours of practice.
If you haven't read or listened to "Outliers", do yourself a favor and do it. It's fascinating....
Posted on 10/23/18 at 9:09 am to colorchangintiger
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60 fps, multi-touch, capacitive screen, threaded text messaging, pinch to zoom, YouTube? In 2008 the biggest screen on a Windows Mobile phone was the HTC Touch with a 2.8" screen. And it was plastic, not glass.
Who cares...and what you should be looking at for 2008 is the ATT Tilt (HTC TyTn II in other parts of the world)....look at sales for that device. The iphone beat its own expecations but didn't touch the HTC "Kaiser" (I'm not sure what HTC had so many damn names for their phones).
Also, consider two huge mistakes for Apple on the OG iphone...no Exchange support and no 3G.
So yea capactive screens, pinch to zoom, and threaded text was cool but at the time people didn't even know they needed it. They knew they needed Exchange and 3G.
I'll give you this....screen size was an area that Apple helped change the game in. However, consider this that years later Apple was dead wrong in people wanting even bigger screens which goes back to how Jobs was just simply out of touch with how innovation should really work.
This post was edited on 10/23/18 at 9:11 am
Posted on 10/23/18 at 9:22 am to LSU316
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Who cares...and what you should be looking at for 2008 is the ATT Tilt (HTC TyTn II in other parts of the world)....look at sales for that device. The iphone beat its own expecations but didn't touch the HTC "Kaiser" (I'm not sure what HTC had so many damn names for their phones).
Also, consider two huge mistakes for Apple on the OG iphone...no Exchange support and no 3G.
So yea capactive screens, pinch to zoom, and threaded text was cool but at the time people didn't even know they needed it.
So all the things that separated the iPhone from the crowd meant nothing towards its success? Okay. Go watch the Jobs keynote again. Audible gasps from the crowd when he SCROLLED. How ridiculous does that sound now? That's how terrible other phones were at the time.
You're wanting to just talk about sales. I can't find TyTn II sales, but do you not remember that the OG iPhone was $400 (originally $600) on contract and only available on ATT and no where else in the world?
This post was edited on 10/23/18 at 9:28 am
Posted on 10/23/18 at 9:25 am to colorchangintiger
None of that matters...public perception matters...sales matter.
And all that "OHHH" went out the window when people saw how much it actually sucked in a web browser and how it was basically non-functional when it came to email.
The OG iphone was a good, not great product. It became great when Apple fixed the major issues it had and ramped up its marketing machine. That came when the 3G was released. It certainly not the best smartphone available at the time and sales reflect that.
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I'm not sure these point support your argument.
And all that "OHHH" went out the window when people saw how much it actually sucked in a web browser and how it was basically non-functional when it came to email.
The OG iphone was a good, not great product. It became great when Apple fixed the major issues it had and ramped up its marketing machine. That came when the 3G was released. It certainly not the best smartphone available at the time and sales reflect that.
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do you not remember that the OG iPhone was $400 (originally $600) on contract and only available on ATT and no where else in the world?
I'm not sure these point support your argument.
This post was edited on 10/23/18 at 9:32 am
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