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Shortage of High School Football Refs in Louisiana
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:15 pm
I was reading there is a shortage of high school referees for football in Louisiana. Just curious as to how much these guys make in regards to freshman, JV, varsity football games?
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:32 pm to Riolobo
same here. Most games are played on week days
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:35 pm to Riolobo
sub varsity around 50 ish.
varsity regular season 80-90 ish.
varsity regular season 80-90 ish.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:37 pm to Riolobo
I've been hearing that for years. I understand it's not just football, it's affecting basketball as well.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:39 pm to Kracka
quote:It's every sport nationwide... It is significantly worse at the youth levels - they are paying more and more people still don't want to do it.
I've been hearing that for years. I understand it's not just football, it's affecting basketball as well.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:42 pm to choupiquesushi
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It's every sport nationwide... It is significantly worse at the youth levels - they are paying more and more people still don't want to do it.
No one wants overbearing dad, drunk dad or thug dad looking for them in the parking lot after the game. I know someone who did it and was threatened multiple times because their little "not gonna play in college anyway" asswipe kid got screwed on a questionable call. Then there is the 2-3 hours on the road that they spend getting to-from the game. Something that should be fun and rewarding turns into something shitty.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:44 pm to Riolobo
It's a lot of shite to take for not much money.
I used to umpire little league games when I was in college. I thought it'd be fun.
I used to umpire little league games when I was in college. I thought it'd be fun.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:45 pm to Master of Sinanju
High school is fun and rewarding.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:54 pm to choupiquesushi
Nobody wants to deal with the parents/fans. Choupiquesushi needs to chime in.
ETA: Oh, he did.....
ETA: Oh, he did.....
This post was edited on 10/11/18 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:56 pm to choupiquesushi
I think I would enjoy umpiring high school baseball down to probably the junior high level.
My main problem is that I've already tried it and know I'm terrible.
My main problem is that I've already tried it and know I'm terrible.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:58 pm to choupiquesushi
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It's every sport nationwide... It is significantly worse at the youth levels - they are paying more and more people still don't want to do it.
I do it and enjoy the heck out of it. It isn't about the money to me, its about getting out on a nice day and giving back. I remember very specifically a few games in my playing days when we didn't have officials, and how bad it sucked to not be able to play a true game without someone's dad being the umpire. I don't want that to happen to anyone else. I also enjoy really getting into the rules and learning more and more about the nuances of the games I call (football and baseball). Lastly, more so in football than baseball, when you are on the field as part of a good crew on a Friday in the fall, with the bands playing and helmets cracking, it feel like you are part of a team again.
I'd recommend it to everyone to try to get in at the high school level. Youth sports are filled with daddy-ball coaches that never made it, high school (for the most part)has coaches that are a bit more knowledgeable, and parents have been around it long enough to learn the particulars. You don't get people riding you quite as much as you'd think.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 2:04 pm to ProjectP2294
High school parents and fans really aren't an issue. The worst age is the same age that is worse on coaches too - it's the parents that are.
A. Doing the math and seeing that their child's playing days are quickly coming to an end.
B. They are living vicariously through their children instead of sitting back and enjoying that special time in their kid's lives.
C. They measure their success as a parent via their child's athletic success.
D. An intoxicated parent.
The only issue I have ever had with a parent or a coach was a youth football game in 1998 and that parent was all of the above - but it did not end well for him.
IMO - I think the electronic age has made parents more stat crazy - ie.. 25 years ago everybody thought their kid batted .450 or had a .075 era.... now... it's out there......
The over riding reason for the shortage at the HS level is it takes a huge time investment with meetings and training sessions starting before teams even start practicing. and like everything else in sports - you have to pay your dues and earn your keep to move up....
for most guys and women that do it, they do it because they love the game and they love giving something back to something they got so much out of.
A. Doing the math and seeing that their child's playing days are quickly coming to an end.
B. They are living vicariously through their children instead of sitting back and enjoying that special time in their kid's lives.
C. They measure their success as a parent via their child's athletic success.
D. An intoxicated parent.
The only issue I have ever had with a parent or a coach was a youth football game in 1998 and that parent was all of the above - but it did not end well for him.
IMO - I think the electronic age has made parents more stat crazy - ie.. 25 years ago everybody thought their kid batted .450 or had a .075 era.... now... it's out there......
The over riding reason for the shortage at the HS level is it takes a huge time investment with meetings and training sessions starting before teams even start practicing. and like everything else in sports - you have to pay your dues and earn your keep to move up....
for most guys and women that do it, they do it because they love the game and they love giving something back to something they got so much out of.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 2:04 pm to ProjectP2294
quote:The right guys around you can dramatically improve your game.....
My main problem is that I've already tried it and know I'm terrible.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 2:04 pm to SaturdayTraditions
I’ve officiated basketball, football, basesaball and softball in the past. The lower level you work, the worse the parents are. I remember playing when I was a kid, specifically baseball, and the coaches saying “you better be swinging because that strike zone is really wide.” There was basically an expectation that officials weren’t going to be great but you just dealt with it without complaining. High school and JV isn’t too bad, but it’s too difficult for me to keep a schedule for those games anymore.
This post was edited on 10/11/18 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 10/11/18 at 2:09 pm to choupiquesushi
quote:
The right guys around you can dramatically improve your game.....
Yeah. I wasn't really trained at all, just kind of thrown onto the field for something like 8yo girls softball. I had no idea where to even position myself.
A guy I used to work with is a college ump that does some games around the Midwest for various D1 conferences. He enjoys the hell out of it.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 2:11 pm to ProjectP2294
quote:yep.. training and training is a lot easier now with all of the video... and access to it.
Yeah. I wasn't really trained at all, just kind of thrown onto the field for something like 8yo girls softball. I had no idea where to even position myself.
A guy I used to work with is a college ump that does some games around the Midwest for various D1 conferences. He enjoys the hell out of it.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 2:12 pm to emoney
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I remember playing when I was a kid, specifically baseball, and the coaches saying “you better be swinging because that strike zone is really wide.” There was basically an expectation that officials weren’t going to be great but you just dealt with it without complaining.
There is actually evidence that the strikezone is wider the lower you go in the minor leagues.
I think (on some level conscious or subconscious) it's an effort on the part of the umpires to keep the game moving and not have either walkathon 4 hour games in the minor leagues, or time limit 2 inning games where no one swings the bat and the pitchers can't get anyone out.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 2:24 pm to SaturdayTraditions
I do it as well in the New Orleans area. I love it but it's a lot of effort and certainly not for income.
I try hard to recruit but frankly my honest answers about the time commitment, pay, training, clinics and stories about dickhead fans who think Friday rules are the same as Sat/Sun turn most off.
But every Friday in the fall is a big commitment by itself
I try hard to recruit but frankly my honest answers about the time commitment, pay, training, clinics and stories about dickhead fans who think Friday rules are the same as Sat/Sun turn most off.
But every Friday in the fall is a big commitment by itself
Posted on 10/11/18 at 2:27 pm to Riolobo
Big issue where I am, too.
I've done it a couple of times for football at the youth level, and the parents and coaches will really bark at you sometimes. It is annoying.
The parents almost always reflect the coach, too. So if you have a jerk coach, the parents will also be jerks.
I've done it a couple of times for football at the youth level, and the parents and coaches will really bark at you sometimes. It is annoying.
The parents almost always reflect the coach, too. So if you have a jerk coach, the parents will also be jerks.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 2:27 pm to choupiquesushi
One of the problems with the situation in youth baseball is sort of a "chicken or the egg" issue. The bad fan/parent interaction is much higher so the officials who really WANT to officiate aren't enthusiastic about doing it, so you get guys who are out there just for the money and don't give a crap about giving a good effort. So, the officiating product is lower which in turn increases the amount of complaining from the fans and coaches. That in turn worsens the attitudes of the officials on the field and the snowball just keeps on growing.
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