re: The definitive list of the top 25 best QBs of ALL TIME, UPDATE: edited after feedback

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The only thing you can use to put him above those 2 is super bowl wins. Which is a team stat.

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It's situation specific. We saw Manning's level of play frequently drop in the biggest spots. That matters and I knocked him for it.

Brees is great obviously but if I think about swapping situations I honestly believe New Orleans would have more than 1 Super Bowl with Brady/Peyton & I don't think Belichick/Brees would have 5. I base that on the fact that when i watch Tom Brady I look at a guy making the game look a lot easier than it really is, he's almost a computer back there processing all the variables at lightening speed as they unfold. When I look at Drew Brees I see someone who has unbelievable accuracy with the football but not quite that level of mastery of the position. That's not a knock by the way, Brees obviously is a master of the position.

You have to split hairs when you're talking about the best of the best of all time. You're entitled to your opinion but you should admit you're a bit of a homer when it comes to Brees.

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Yes.

Peyton was better.
Drew is better.

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You can't really say the only reason to have Brady ahead of these 2 is a team stat when Brady is at worst, on par with both statistically, and certainly arguably more efficient while producing just as much.

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The only thing you can use to put him above those 2 is super bowl wins. Which is a team stat.

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TD:INT ratio? QB Rating? MUCH lower INT%?