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How did Randle look?

Posted on 9/30/18 at 9:15 pm
Posted by pleading the fifth
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 9/30/18 at 9:15 pm
I couldn’t catch the game but saw a decent stat line from him. How did he look?
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25991 posts
Posted on 9/30/18 at 9:42 pm to
Like a man, but he needs to quit shooting 3’s
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61655 posts
Posted on 9/30/18 at 10:52 pm to
I really liked what I saw. He got rebounds and pushed it down the floor, he posted up, he made good passes (5 assits in 24 minutes), and he was generally very active.

Even though he's not the player Boogie was, he's going to give the Pels a lot of positives they lost when Boogie went down. Some games it's going to be a hard choice for Gentry picking who sits at the end between Niko and Randle.
Posted by BayouFann
CenLa
Member since Jun 2012
6880 posts
Posted on 10/1/18 at 8:45 am to
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Some games it's going to be a hard choice for Gentry picking who sits at the end between Niko and Randle.

3 niko
4 randle
5 ad

That’s a pretty versatile trio considering their individual abilities. They all have good to damned good game from the basket all the way out the arc. Those three would really wreck shite with evil jrue on the court! Remember niko played alot of stretch forward efficiently last year. Coaching is gonna be key though.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
22401 posts
Posted on 10/1/18 at 9:56 am to
Can Randle guard the SF? If he can then I could see Pels going big quite often.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25991 posts
Posted on 10/1/18 at 10:08 am to
I do'nt get the point of having all 3 out there.

What advantage does it give us?
Even if they can all defend decent enough, are they going to take advantage of it on the offensive end?
Teams will always let AD shoot 3's. They will never guard that part of his game.
Randle cannot shoot 3's.
Niko has no post up game, and if i see more Rynoesque fade aways out of the post, i'm going to make Niko grow a beard again so i can drag him by it.
So Niko is simply playing the typical 3 and D SF position for us with those 3 out there.

The difference is Niko, Randle, and AD aren't guys that are going to blow by their defender, so there wouldn't be much penetration with them on the floor, and the lane would be clogged.
AD obviously can get by most bigs in the league, but when he does, he's never looking to pass the ball.
You'd only have two guys on the court with the ability to get by their defender from the perimeter and force the defense to help, and really, outside of Jrue and Payton, there's no one else that excels at that, hoping Frank can though.
That is how you generate easy shots, by breaking down the defense from the perimeter and moving the ball and cutting well after you do so.

I feel with those 3 out there, our offense would become more iso ball, and that's not what we want. If we could take advantage of a smaller guy on AD or Randle, and they could post up and score/get fouled efficiently, then it would be worth it.
But to just run our typical offense, don't see it being an advantage.
Posted by LouisianaJoseph
Denver
Member since Apr 2018
1392 posts
Posted on 10/1/18 at 10:51 am to
Since when can't AD and Randle not blow past defenders? Also Payton is only second to Westbrook in that. Not really understanding that logic.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61655 posts
Posted on 10/1/18 at 10:56 am to
This team doesn't play to set up half court offense, they play to set up transition offense. To me the question isn't can Payton/Holiday/Niko/AD/Randle work on offense, it's can it work on defense to set up enough transition opportunities to cover for any half court deficiencies. If they can defend and rebound well then they can probably be pretty damned effective as a unit.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25991 posts
Posted on 10/1/18 at 11:09 am to
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Since when can't AD and Randle not blow past defenders?


I didn't say they couldn't.
My point was that they aren't going to do that from the perimeter, and that's more of the type of blow by i'm talking about. That type of blow by generally generates a very high efficient FGA b/c it causes the defense to scramble.
AD/Randle blow by is an individual move to get to the rim, hence why i said i think that lineup would make us favor more iso ball. And i literally said, if we can take advantage of their post up game b/c of the smaller lineup, then that's the only reason i'd want them all on the court together, and only if that post up game was effecient.

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Also Payton is only second to Westbrook in that. Not really understanding that logic


I also said that he and Jrue were the only ones that could break down the defense from the perimeter.

I know it was a long winded post, but doesn't appear you read it well, or maybe i just suck at getting my point across, which is a good possibility.
Posted by LouisianaJoseph
Denver
Member since Apr 2018
1392 posts
Posted on 10/1/18 at 11:23 am to
Like Tiger said, and like I saw a good bit of yesterday, whoever rebounds will push the ball and everyone runs. We will always try to get transition offense and I don't see that big line-up being on the floor enough for it to be a problem.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25991 posts
Posted on 10/1/18 at 11:36 am to
I agree. we will always try to get transition offense, and i think we can do it with those 3 in the game. I do'n think our halfcourt offense would do well with them, that's all, and we really don't have any good half court lineup offense. We aren't built for it.
Randle can push the pace effectively.
Niko isn't much of a threat with that, and neither is AD. AD isn't a good at creating opportunities for others when he's dribbling the ball. He's obviously much better at running with someone else looking to hit him going to the rim.
Both are more than capable of pushing the pace up the court and getting it to Jrue or Payton and then getting into quick offense.

Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
10516 posts
Posted on 10/1/18 at 11:49 am to
Randle is a good passer. Ball movement is what we need in the half court set. Bully ball is an element we lack. I don't see any issues playing him with Mirotic and Davis in the half court set with the spacing they provide.
Posted by LouisianaJoseph
Denver
Member since Apr 2018
1392 posts
Posted on 10/1/18 at 12:08 pm to
Hopefully Frank comes on line and provides spacing and attention as well.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32906 posts
Posted on 10/1/18 at 12:10 pm to
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I do'n think our halfcourt offense would do well with them, that's all, and we really don't have any good half court lineup offense. We aren't built for it.

Who would you take out, out of those 3? And who would you replace them with? How is the offense better after you've done that?

ETA: I feel like you've raised concerns, but haven't given an alternative that is better.
This post was edited on 10/1/18 at 12:12 pm
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
22401 posts
Posted on 10/1/18 at 12:23 pm to
Looks like Randle is a career 71% FT shooter so that helps with him closing games.
Posted by BayouFann
CenLa
Member since Jun 2012
6880 posts
Posted on 10/1/18 at 12:54 pm to
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I do'nt get the point of having all 3 out there. What advantage does it give us? Even if they can all defend decent enough, are they going to take advantage of it on the offensive end? Teams will always let AD shoot 3's. They will never guard that part of his game. Randle cannot shoot 3's. Niko has no post up game, and if i see more Rynoesque fade aways out of the post, i'm going to make Niko grow a beard again so i can drag him by it. So Niko is simply playing the typical 3 and D SF position for us with those 3 out there. The difference is Niko, Randle, and AD aren't guys that are going to blow by their defender, so there wouldn't be much penetration with them on the floor, and the lane would be clogged. AD obviously can get by most bigs in the league, but when he does, he's never looking to pass the ball. You'd only have two guys on the court with the ability to get by their defender from the perimeter and force the defense to help, and really, outside of Jrue and Payton, there's no one else that excels at that, hoping Frank can though. That is how you generate easy shots, by breaking down the defense from the perimeter and moving the ball and cutting well after you do so. I feel with those 3 out there, our offense would become more iso ball, and that's not what we want. If we could take advantage of a smaller guy on AD or Randle, and they could post up and score/get fouled efficiently, then it would be worth it. But to just run our typical offense, don't see it being an advantage.

You are highly uninformed and don’t know much about these players. It’s gonna come down to in-game coaching friend.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25991 posts
Posted on 10/1/18 at 12:57 pm to
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Who would you take out, out of those 3? And who would you replace them with? How is the offense better after you've done that?


I think we'll see as the season plays out.

It's not like i was making opinions based on things i've witnessed. I'm guessing, we all are, we've never seen those 3 on the court before. We also have no idea what kind of production we will get from Payton compared to Rondo.

What we do know is that the Rondo/Jrue/Moore/AD/Niko lineup had the 4th highest net rating post all star break last year, and that rating was an elite level.

I think that the best lineups will always include Jrue/Moore/AD and then one of either Niko or Randle.

Post all star break, of the top 13 net rating 3 man rotations we had that played greater than 100 minutes together, Moore was in 8 of them. Jrue was in 7 of them. AD was in 8 of them. Rondo in 6 and Niko in 7.
If Etwaun continues to hit from 40% + from 3 point land, and he can start averaging 5 a game instead of 3-4, he is going to demand more attention, and he needs to be on the court for us.

It's really about whether the Jrue/AD/Moore combo plays better with Niko and Randle, or one of the big men with Payton/Clark/Jackson. Clark only appeared in 3 of those 13 lineups i mentioned, but he appeared in the #1 and #2 best 3 man lineup post all star break. his ability to penetrate from the 3 point line and hit floaters or kick out for open shots was huge down the stretch last year.
That's what i think we would lack with the 3 big men on the court. Both Moore and Clark got exceedingly better with that as the season progressed, as opposed to just sitting on the 3 point line and either taking the open 3 or doing nothing and giving the ball up. Their penetration when they don't have the shot is key.
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
10516 posts
Posted on 10/1/18 at 1:00 pm to
I don't think It's not going to be a big minutes lineup. On average, I don't expect to see that line up for more than 5-10 minutes a night.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 10/5/18 at 10:37 am to
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 all the way out the arc. 


not randle.

He was 2 for 2018 from 3 pt line.

Posted by Jon1798
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
730 posts
Posted on 10/5/18 at 1:45 pm to
If Peja could be considered a SF, I refuse to believe Niko can’t with the way he moves his feet. It’s not ideal, but still could be our best closing lineup.
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