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Drain plug in or Out in fishbox

Posted on 9/28/18 at 2:43 pm
Posted by Elusiveporpi
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Posted on 9/28/18 at 2:43 pm
Went offshore fishing a while back and noticed the large fishbox in front the boat didnt have a plug in it (fits about 20 20# bags of ice in it) I asked why and was told that the water from the melted ice would melt the rest of the ice faster.

Is this true? does it depend on the size of the icechest/fishbox? or how much the boat is moving? I always thought you would want to hold the water in because that water helps hold in the coolness as well.
Posted by SpeckledTiger
Denham Springs
Member since Jul 2010
1482 posts
Posted on 9/28/18 at 2:45 pm to
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would melt the rest of the ice faster.


While this may be true on the surface, the for longer, overall temperature reduction it's better to let the water stay in.
Posted by The Last Coco
On the water
Member since Mar 2009
6954 posts
Posted on 9/28/18 at 2:47 pm to
Definitely want to keep the water. Never heard that thought process and don't buy it. The larger cold mass of water will keep the overall temperature colder longer.
Posted by CP3
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
7558 posts
Posted on 9/28/18 at 3:18 pm to
Plug in for sure. If no plug you end up with a coffin box full of one solid chunk of ice. Gotta break it up to get fish in and it's a PITA

Keep plug in so you get a slush as it melts.
Posted by Elusiveporpi
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Posted on 9/28/18 at 3:24 pm to
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Keep plug in so you get a slush as it melts.


This is what i have always done for inshore fishing, but im new to the offshore game. Just wanting to be sure before i open my uneducated mouth.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24050 posts
Posted on 9/28/18 at 5:02 pm to
Take 2 buckets and do the test. Take one with just a bag of ice, and the other with a bag of ice and a gallon of water. Stick your hand in both.

If you want to go extra crazy, you can add some salt to the icy water and it will be even colder.

Now I don't know how big the boat is, but 20 bags of ice water is also a lot of slushing around. So you may need to be careful on how the boat handles it. But that big of a hold the boat is probably plenty big.
Posted by DTRooster
Belle River, La
Member since Dec 2013
9009 posts
Posted on 9/28/18 at 7:19 pm to
In, every day all day
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
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Posted on 9/28/18 at 7:35 pm to
Keeping the water in it will keep it colder longer
Posted by MotorBoater
Hammond
Member since Sep 2010
1716 posts
Posted on 9/28/18 at 7:36 pm to
Plug in while on the water fishing. Pull plug for the run to the dock to keep the fish from sloshing around the whole way back and getting torn up.
Posted by snapper26
Member since Nov 2015
559 posts
Posted on 9/29/18 at 6:50 am to
I have seen it done on a charter boat that kept the fish box iced down for days.

But if I'm cleaning fish, they will be in a slush.
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
18223 posts
Posted on 9/29/18 at 1:30 pm to
quote:


Definitely want to keep the water. Never heard that thought process and don't buy it. The larger cold mass of water will keep the overall temperature colder longer.


It’s actually the opposite. We leave the plug in to make it easier to ice fish, ideally it turns into a slush, but leaving the water in melts ice faster.

Air around the ice will act as an insulator. Water increases the surface area in contact with the walls of the ice chest/box and increases heat transfer in. The best way to preserve ice for a long time is to crack the drain plug.

I’m not gonna get into latent vs specific heat, but in short, once the ice has melted the damage is done and you’re not losing much of anything allowing it to drain.
Posted by Chuker
St George, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2015
7544 posts
Posted on 9/29/18 at 2:21 pm to
quote:

once the ice has melted the damage is done and you’re not losing much of anything allowing it to drain.



I just don't see how dumping gallons of 33* water into the gulf is going to help keep things in you cooler cool longer. Seems like that ice cold water would be best kept in the cooler.
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
18223 posts
Posted on 9/29/18 at 2:54 pm to
I understand it's counter intuitive but it takes significantly more energy to melt a given amount of ice than it does to raise the same mass of water from 32F to ambient temp. The "coldness" comes almost exclusively from the ice melting, and what's causing the ice to melt is heat being transferred in from outside. The limiting factor to that heat transfer is surface area in contact with the heat source. Same reason large chunks of ice melt slower than crushed ice.
Posted by Hammertime
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43031 posts
Posted on 9/29/18 at 3:51 pm to
The specific heat capacity of water is something like 4.5x higher than that of air. That's why it is easier to heat up air than water. The converse is also the same. Water should be kept in as per science
Posted by Chuker
St George, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2015
7544 posts
Posted on 9/29/18 at 4:31 pm to
Sounds like a Sonic meetup is in order.























buy 2 ice slushies and poke a hole in bottom of one. First one to assume ambient loses.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 9/29/18 at 4:35 pm to
That guide is a moronic meat-ruiner. Not only does the water slow down the melt, it also aids in getting large fish cold faster.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 9/29/18 at 4:38 pm to
quote:

Air around the ice will act as an insulator.


This is false. Water at 32° does a damn good job of insulating ice. The box is not air tight, so most of the air in the box will be much warmer than 32°
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 9/29/18 at 4:39 pm to
quote:

Sounds like a Sonic meetup is in order.























buy 2 ice slushies and poke a hole in bottom of one. First one to assume ambient loses.



Scientific motherfrickin' method, sons.
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43031 posts
Posted on 9/29/18 at 4:41 pm to
Spilled extra long chili cheese coney on my notebook. No science is happening today
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
18223 posts
Posted on 9/29/18 at 4:44 pm to
quote:

This is false. Water at 32° does a damn good job of insulating ice. The box is not air tight, so most of the air in the box will be much warmer than 32°




I agree the difference will be almost negligible but it's a fact that air does a better job insulating than water.

Here's a time lapse of this with cups.

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