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re: Hahnville QB "hearing" Thursday
Posted on 9/13/18 at 6:41 am to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 9/13/18 at 6:41 am to LSUFanHouston
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The issue is, was the kid "recruited" and not a bona-fide relocation?
JT Curtis told me this never happens
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Posted on 9/13/18 at 7:36 am to double d
quote:If the dad shopped them to school(s) as a package deal or a school wanted them as a package deal - the rules on that are pretty clear. Also a move based strictly for sports is not considered a bonafide move - what is unfortunate is that it is his senior year. So the LHSAA should abandon their rules because a kid is a senior and having been an LHSAA coach the dad should have been well aware of the rule. under the rule a non bona fide transfer is a one year sit out - I really don't think it has anything to do with the jersey - per se - but with how the transfer happened. Also if the were offered to schools or schools offered them as a package deal - more problems.... BTW... a technicality on custody and residence rules cost me more than 50% of my 4 years of eligibility in HS.....but the rule was correctly applied..
Had his dad kept his mouth shut while the boy was still at Vandy about him going to Hahnville for his senior year, nobody would have known shite. He blabbed to the Houma paper, probably to send the middle finger to Vandy and it escalated from there. He shouldn't have been given a Hahnville jersey to wear on the magazine cover since he wasn't a student there yet.
Vandy said they don't think the boy should be punished so severely but the rule reads that the school and athlete both get punished. Don't expect the LHSAA to lift the suspension.
Posted on 9/13/18 at 7:39 am to choupiquesushi
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Also a move based strictly for sports is not considered a bonafide move - what is unfortunate is that it is his senior year.
There was a kid that transferred to WM around 99-00. In the local newspaper he said he moved to WM to win a ring. Immediately ruled ineligible, not allowed to play his senior year even at his original school. I thought that was a bit harsh to not allow him to play at all.
Posted on 9/13/18 at 7:47 am to JJ27
I am also curious to see what penalties for McKinley get shortened.
Posted on 9/13/18 at 7:59 am to choupiquesushi
quote:you're defending a bad rule, not in its wording, but by it's intentions and what it seeks to control. Punish the dad and the coach, not the kid who should have very little agency in this matter
but the rule was correctly applied..
Posted on 9/13/18 at 8:08 am to chalmetteowl
quote:Then get your principal to try to change the rule or the wording, but it has been that way for a long long time. In the age where people whine so much about recruiting and related shenanigans - how will sanctioning the dad send a message..... part of the message is to parents is that if you violate the rule(s) your child can suffer.
you're defending a bad rule, not in its wording, but by it's intentions and what it seeks to control. Punish the dad and the coach, not the kid who should have very little agency in this matter
Just like a kid not having custody transferred to the relative he was living with - because the mom didn't want to give up the child support she was getting - despite the kid not living with her for 3 plus years - yes that happened a couple of years back - only the kid lost his jr year not his senior year - he had to sit out a year. aslo Hahnville and the parent could have requested a hardship hearing with LHSAA prior to all of this....
Posted on 9/13/18 at 9:56 am to choupiquesushi
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9:27: Robison says he missed classes at Vandebilt as Atwell pulled him out of classes on a daily basis. Atwell regularly "verbally abused him." Atwell told him he would be fully eligible at Hahnville. Then later told him "I will make sure you will never be eligible at Hahnville." After he got there, Atwell told him "I hope your team has a terrible season so I can say 'I told you so.' "
9:30: Robison said he wanted to wear Vandebilt jersey for magazine, but Atwell denied. He became "hostile." Said it wouldn't be "fair to (Atwell)." Got jersey from Jha'Quan Jackson, and he and parents made decision to go to Hahnville and they moved to Luling. Atwell told him he needed to get everything out of his locker. After his last exam, he went into locker room and "lock had been cut off of locker ... several hundred dollars of my personal equipment was gone ... I asked Coach Atwell, and he said maybe the janitor did it. ... I later saw other players wearing my stuff."
Vanderbilt seems like a fun school... geez
Posted on 9/13/18 at 10:09 am to LSUFanHouston
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After his last exam, he went into locker room and "lock had been cut off of locker ... several hundred dollars of my personal equipment was gone ... I asked Coach Atwell, and he said maybe the janitor did it. ... I later saw other players wearing my stuff."
Holy frick. How is that coach still employed at Vandebilt?
Posted on 9/13/18 at 10:17 am to ProjectP2294
doesn't look like he will be eligible
Posted on 9/13/18 at 10:17 am to ProjectP2294
Decision was upheld. What a crock of shite.
Posted on 9/13/18 at 10:34 am to LSUFanHouston
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9:21 a.m.: Lumar says the fact Vandebilt tried to keep on Andrew's father on as volunteer coach is a violation.
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9:37: Lumar playing a recording where Vandebiolt principal Jeremy Gueldner leaves a voice mail for Robison where he wants to "make a deal" with Robison.
NOLA Live updates
Posted on 9/13/18 at 10:35 am to yallgood
They should sue Vandebilt Catholic and the LHSAA
Posted on 9/13/18 at 10:43 am to yallgood
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Yall
They talk a lot more than facts.
We do it best up here in the North.
Just remember, Cam Robinson was ruled eligible at WM once upon a time even with no leg to stand on.
$$$$$$$$
They talk a lot more than facts.
We do it best up here in the North.
Just remember, Cam Robinson was ruled eligible at WM once upon a time even with no leg to stand on.
$$$$$$$$
Posted on 9/13/18 at 10:58 am to ColonelTiger88
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9:37: Lumar playing a recording where Vandebiolt principal Jeremy Gueldner leaves a voice mail for Robison where he wants to "make a deal" with Robison.
Catholics doing work... LOL.
What a joke of a school.
Posted on 9/13/18 at 10:59 am to CypressTrout10
The LHSAA should be ashamed of themselves. What should the family have done differently? Where would he be eligible to play at besides the school that fired his father.
Posted on 9/13/18 at 11:03 am to choupiquesushi
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doesn't look like he will be eligible
The LHSAA suffers from the same disease the NCAA has... except they have it 10,000 times worse.
By the letter of the rulebook, it appears a rule was broken. However, the rule is beyond insane, no common sense is ever applied, and they knock down stuff like this while allowing other stuff to fester.
Brother Martin's coach goes to a camp out of zone to coach. $1,000 fine, no suspension.
This kid situation, coach gets 4 games and kid a season.
The Bro Mart complaint was stupid yet I would argue it's more of a violation than this is.
Posted on 9/13/18 at 11:10 am to yallgood
Disappointed but not suprised. Hahnville violated the rules clearly stated in the handbook. Now the sins of the father will affect this young players future career. I feel bad for Robinson he deserves to play but Salt knew what he was doing was wrong from day one no doubt, he's only been coaching for the past 25+ years. Hahnville got off easy in my opinion if they get busted for changing student athletes grades which they are allegedly being investigated on too now, there will be a lot of asterisks by those playoff wins and district championships. Apparently Salt and teachers helped a famous student from last years roster who's GPA was far too low to get into a D1 school. Allegedly they curved it for him through the PB lab so he could potentially play. Explains why LSU silently pulled their offer under the table because he never had the grades to play. Why else would a SEC school offer the best player in the state then subtly take away that offer ? Hahnville is in between a rock and a hard place right now and I think it's about to get harder.
Posted on 9/13/18 at 11:11 am to LSUFanHouston
quote:read the rules, read the transcripts of the hearings..... it was not just about the jersey
By the letter of the rulebook, it appears a rule was broken
Posted on 9/13/18 at 11:13 am to choupiquesushi
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read the transcripts of the hearings.
Where can I find this... the only thing I see is what nola.com posted
Posted on 9/13/18 at 11:16 am to redfishfan
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. What should the family have done differently? Where would he be eligible to play at besides the school that fired his father.
1. transfer before the school year ended.
2. request a hardship hearing
3. don't tie the kid coaching and the kid going to a new school together and vice versa
4. make certain that it is a bona fide move not based on sports reasons.
again - I feel bad for the kid - but his dad being a HS coach - knew the pitfalls of the path they took.
signed... again... someone that lost my whole sophomore and 80% of my senior year due to parental inaction/action.
transferring for a senior year safest bet is an approved bonafide move or hardship case. They really should have gone the hardship route first.. .tough to go hardship after the fact.
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