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re: Trump's ridiculous military parade now set to cost $92M -- UPDATE: Delayed until 2019
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:15 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:15 pm to OMLandshark
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solely for an authoritarian a-hole?
At this point , given that Trump has actually relinquished powers Obama stole from Congress, states, and the people, I immediately discount anyone who calls him an authoritarian as a fricking retard.
Especially when you throw in the fact that an authoritarian most certainly would not put up with the death threats, and other sundry bad behaviors we have seen from the left since Trump was elected.
Therefor I must conclude that you are a retard and no further conversation with you is warranted.
Good luck in the next special olympics though.
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:16 pm to DallasTiger11
Nov. 10? Why?
This should be held the weekend BEFORE the midterm elections.
This should be held the weekend BEFORE the midterm elections.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:18 pm to Bham4Tide
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This should be held the weekend BEFORE the midterm elections.
Great idea. Let them put the soldiers in the Democrat commercials for the 2018 midterm elections, complete in black and white, juxtaposing it with images of Hitler and Stalin. Just a brilliant idea.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:18 pm to Centinel
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Approximately 1500 people involved. We spent two weeks, four to five hours a day, preparing. Training came to a halt.
That is literally the definition of a few hours over a few weeks. I am confused as to how you do not see that. You described 20-25 hours of time over two weeks. I cannot believe that two partial work weeks of time would have a massively detrimental negative impact on training in today's state and if it does we have much larger problems. And if "training came to a halt" what were you doing the other 20-25 hours of those two weeks?
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Working late to do your job is one thing. Working late for no reason at all is another. How would you react to being told you will be working until 10 every night. And the weekends. But you won't be paid overtime, comp time, and you won't be doing your job.
It has happened before to me many times. Sometimes back when I was hourly and continued now that I am salaried. I do large conventions and shows for my job that take weeks of preparation and overtime and nights away from my family that I do not get paid for. Everyone from all companies that participate in those events go through the same thing.
Honest questions, I am not trying to be condensing: have you ever been part of a business as an adult? Have you ever been in a middle or upper mamagemt position in a private company before?
You berated me for contradicting your options because I am a civilian who could never understand, but you seem to be arguing from the view point of a career service man who doesn't understand business.
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I'm sure you'd just "suck it up" as a member of the workforce correct?
That is exactly what I did.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:22 pm to Centinel
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Let's say you're a network engineer. You understand that if a router drops at 2am, your arse is going in to work. You get that. It's part of your job.
Monday your boss comes to you and says..."Ya know Bob, I'm going to need you to work late every day for the next couple weeks. oh, and probably weekends too."
You're thinkging..."Man, this must be some serious shite!"
But your boss just goes, "Nah, I just need you to come in the office and walk around. There's nothing for you to actually do."
Your hypothetical comparison is dishonest at best
What if your boss came in and said, hey man no one really knows what our company does or is capable of so I am going to need you to help put together a demonstration for an upcoming nationally televised event that shows off our company and the people in it.
Sure that is not part of your job description but it is something many people in business have to do. That is not something wildly out of the ordinary at all.
This post was edited on 8/16/18 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:25 pm to DallasTiger11
Where are the Republicans asking to roll this money directly to veterans, who worry about medicine, doctors visits, PTSD....instead of feeding the fricking ego of an authoritarian who received 5 deferments because of MUH SPURS!!
Think a baw that lost two legs on an IED is interested in watching a parade for 45?
Has Trump even been to the ME to visit troops??
Think a baw that lost two legs on an IED is interested in watching a parade for 45?
Has Trump even been to the ME to visit troops??
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:26 pm to Nguyener
Lost in this back and forth is that the conversation started because some claimed it would be a "morale booster". Personally, I'm not arguing that they shouldn't have to do it. If they're ordered to do so, they should and they will. I'm arguing that it's not a "morale booster".
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:31 pm to WillieNelsonsDoobie
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Has Trump even been to the ME to visit troops??
If he did, moronic liberals would just bitch about the cost of the trip LOL
The jig is up morons, you have complained about EVERYTHING Trump does so at this point he could literally murder someone in the White House and many people would just shrug and say "oh the whiners are at it again"
This is exactly what happens when you go full Code Red over every fricking thing.
$92M for a fricking parade is NOTHING in terms of tax dollars, you know it, I know it, everyone reading thread knows it.
We also know that Trump could personally pay for the entire damn parade out of his own pocket and you morons would find something to bitch about that too.
It's gotten to the point where reasonable people now just want yall to shut the frick up regardless of what Trump did or didn't do
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:35 pm to Nguyener
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That is literally the definition of a few hours over a few weeks. I am confused as to how you do not see that. You described 20-25 hours of time over two weeks. I cannot believe that two partial work weeks of time would have a massively detrimental negative impact on training in today's state and if it does we have much larger problems. And if "training came to a halt" what were you doing the other 20-25 hours of those two weeks?
You're not getting what I'm trying to say. All that time was wasted on performing an activity that in no way was part of the job or contributed to the effectiveness of the unit.
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Sometimes back when I was hourly
That's straight up illegal.
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continued now that I am salaried. I do large conventions and shows for my job that take weeks of preparation and overtime and nights away from my family that I do not get paid for. Everyone from all companies that participate in those events go through the same thing.
It's still part of your job. Hence my comment that working extra nights or weekends to prepare for a FTX is expected by troops. It's part of their job. Marching in a parade is not.
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Honest questions, I am not trying to be condensing: have you ever been part of a business as an adult? Have you ever been in a middle or upper mamagemt position in a private company before?
I currently work for a private firm. And my previous job was infrastructure manager for a private company.
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but you seem to be arguing from the view point of a career service man who doesn't understand business.
And you assumed incorrectly.
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That is exactly what I did.
Because it was part of your actual job. Just like my soldiers and I sucked it up when we spent weeks preparing for deployment or a week or two for a major FTX. Zero bitching because it's what we did.
Now prepping for a pointless fricking parade that takes away from the tasks you need to complete for your actual job? Ya that pisses folks off.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:37 pm to Salmon
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For the next several weeks you are no longer allowed to conduct your normal business practices. You are now only allowed to learn to open word documents. Not do anything with them, just open and close them.
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We do that. It's training to be efficient.
wtf
What's hard to understand about it?
My wife, 2 times per year, will go and get training. She then returns and trains the staff.
Does she like it... no.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:38 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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If he did, moronic liberals would just bitch about the cost of the trip LOL
When W visited...I don’t remember biatching....when O visited I don’t remember biatching.
When you deflect / spin this hard....I hope you warm up first. You’ll probably pull a hammy or throw out your back.
I can imagine you...as a Trumper...yelling this comment and spittle going erewhere.
Why not just admit that you fully support a cuck CiC...that is a pussified, five time deferment receiver because of him spurs.
This post was edited on 8/16/18 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:41 pm to Centinel
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FTX is expected by troops. It's part of their job. Marching in a parade is not.
False
A soldier's job is to do what they are ordered to , legal orders of course
That means if the President orders you to take part in a parade you take part in a parade.
If you believe being ordered to take part in a parade is an unlawful order, I invite you to not obey.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:42 pm to Nguyener
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Your hypothetical comparison is dishonest at best
It is 100% accurate.
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What if your boss came in and said, hey man no one really knows what our company does or is capable of so I am going to need you to help put together a demonstration for an upcoming nationally televised event that shows off our company and the people in it.
And my soldiers did just that as part of expos showing off our SATCOM systems. And my soldiers loved it because they got to demonstrate their equipment and talk about what they did.
A parade means a soldier is just a cog, walking in a line, doing nothing productive.
There is no value add to the "company" as it where. Whereas even your example above is a value add to the company...if not a great way to market who you are and what you do.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:43 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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A soldier's job is to do what they are ordered to , legal orders of course
That means if the President orders you to take part in a parade you take part in a parade.
I'm not arguing it's not. Of course you obey lawful orders.
That doesn't mean that order isn't outside of your normal job/MOS and a complete fricking waste of time.
See: Painting rocks outside of the CSM's office.
This post was edited on 8/16/18 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:44 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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If he did, moronic liberals would just bitch about the cost of the trip LOL
The jig is up morons, you have complained about EVERYTHING Trump does so at this point he could literally murder someone in the White House and many people would just shrug and say "oh the whiners are at it again"
This is exactly what happens when you go full Code Red over every fricking thing.
Except for the fact that virtually everyone in this thread stating that this is beyond stupid isn't a liberal. I would hardly call Centinel, northshore, and myself liberals based on what I've seen, and most military veterans are conservative, and virtually all of them would tell you this is stupid.
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$92M for a fricking parade is NOTHING in terms of tax dollars, you know it, I know it, everyone reading thread knows it.
We also know that Trump could personally pay for the entire damn parade out of his own pocket and you morons would find something to bitch about that too.
It's gotten to the point where reasonable people now just want yall to shut the frick up regardless of what Trump did or didn't do
So? Wasted money is wasted money. Shooting yourself in the foot isn't better than getting a bad blister, but they both suck.
There are some of us out there that like some things have happened over the last couple of years but still retain the balls to call out Trump when he proposes moronic and stupid shite. This is one of those times.
By the way, who are those "elite of the elite" units that will be taking part in this again?
This post was edited on 8/16/18 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:44 pm to Jjdoc
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What's hard to understand about it?
My wife, 2 times per year, will go and get training. She then returns and trains the staff.
He asked you a specific question about a specific kind of "training" but keep trying to spin yourself out of that corner. He didn't ask if you ever did any kind of training. He asked if you would shut everything down to practice opening and closing Word documents over and over. But you know that.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:45 pm to WillieNelsonsDoobie
Dude VIP visits are just as big a pain in the arse for military people as anything else.
Trump visiting a ship or base means that for 2 weeks before every swinging dick has to clean and prepare every possible room he might even look towards.
Trump visiting a ship or base means that for 2 weeks before every swinging dick has to clean and prepare every possible room he might even look towards.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:47 pm to TigerCruise
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Dude VIP visits are just as big a pain in the arse for military people as anything else.
I think I'd rather have POTUS or VPOTUS visit than a fricking CODEL. They're the worst.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:49 pm to OMLandshark
Right? Do we need to bring up the needless expenses Trump has built up?
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:50 pm to TigerCruise
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Dude VIP visits are just as big a pain in the arse for military people as anything else. Trump visiting a ship or base means that for 2 weeks before every swinging dick has to clean and prepare every possible room he might even look towards
I can appreciate that point of view. Still optics say a lot. Baw loves his bomber jacket and biatchin commander hat. Just so long as he doesn’t have to get within 4,000 miles of live rounds.
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