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re: What will this years excuse be to put in an undeserving team into CFP?
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:25 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:25 am to RollTide1987
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What if one of the P5 conference champions is 8-5 like Wisconsin was a few years ago?
They would be the 5 or 6 seed
At large could be any spot. Seeding would be basically what it is now.
Top 2 teams would be rewarded heavily with the bye.
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Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:30 am to StealthCalais11
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"The Eye Test"
Which is bullshite because Alabama will always get in if they're close because people can't unsee the last 10 years and they're not judging on the merits of the current team.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:37 am to lsutigers1992
Seems paranoid. Is there a year yet that Alabama didn’t deserve to be in?
They’re still the most talented roster in football. Chances are that’ll translate into a really good team that does favorably with the “eye test”
When you’re looking for any reason to keep Alabama out, how is that sort of bias any different than looking for a reason to put Alabama in? They snuck in last year and were the best team in the country.
They’re still the most talented roster in football. Chances are that’ll translate into a really good team that does favorably with the “eye test”
When you’re looking for any reason to keep Alabama out, how is that sort of bias any different than looking for a reason to put Alabama in? They snuck in last year and were the best team in the country.
This post was edited on 8/13/18 at 8:40 am
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:40 am to sms151t
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What will this years excuse be to put in an undeserving team into CFP?
Well that depends on if Alabama or Ohio State don’t win their conferences. You don’t really think any one else would get the same preferential treatment do you?
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:51 am to Starchild
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I’d still like to see the BCS system and rankings used to determine it over some arbitrary committee with built in bias
I will never understand why people think there was no “bias” in the BCS. They used the freaking polls. When the AP got all indignant the poll they created was a bunch of has beens. And the computers are programmed by people and since the formulas were proprietary we don’t know exactly what factors were weighted and how much.
The committee clearly takes it very seriously. For starters since they don’t put out rankings in the preseason they are starting fresh and not chained to the preseason polls like the coaches poll. They aren’t even tied to their own polls as they have changed it radically from week to week. They should however agree to some kind of objective standards rather than the “subjective” best teams, that can mean whatever you want and the whole purpose was to get away from subjective “MNC”.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:00 am to sms151t
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What will this years excuse be to put in an undeserving team into CFP?
"But, but, but....they're Alabama..."
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:00 am to RollTide1987
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What if one of the P5 conference champions is 8-5 like Wisconsin was a few years ago?
Worst Wisconsin team in a decade. How fortunate they were that Ohio State and Penn State were ineligible.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:11 am to DisplacedBuckeye
I’ll ask again, when was Alabama undeserving? The only season that they haven’t advanced to the championship game they were the #1 overall seed. They’ve been in the title game the last 3 years. Please eithe spare the woe is me bullshite, or explain why one of the country’s top 2 teams should’ve been left out of the playoff
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:12 am to RollTide1987
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What if one of the P5 conference champions is 8-5 like Wisconsin was a few years ago?
This is why I’ve always hated CCG, but that was an unusual case since both Ohio State and Penn State were on probation. It’s also why my preference would be for the top 4 conference winners no auto bid for any league, just top 4. Going thru 16 years of the BCS no team with more than 2 loses would have made it and the lowest ranked team would have been 2011 Wisconsin who was 9 (they fell because they lost 2 weeks in a row though both were on Hail Marys basically)
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:20 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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I’ll ask again, when was Alabama undeserving? The only season that they haven’t advanced to the championship game they were the #1 overall seed. They’ve been in the title game the last 3 years. Please eithe spare the woe is me bullshite, or explain why one of the country’s top 2 teams should’ve been left out of the playoff
What happened in previous years is completely irrelevant (or should be and that’s the problem). Using the results of 2017 to justify inclusion in 2017 is circular logic.
They didn’t belong in because they finished 2nd in their division and did not have a particular tough SOS. Who was the best win? At home vs a team that lost to Troy? A 4 loss MSU? At least 2016 OSU (who I would not have put in either) had 3 top 10 wins and their only loss was kinda flukey.
This post was edited on 8/13/18 at 9:21 am
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:28 am to H-Town Tiger
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They didn’t belong in because they finished 2nd in their division and did not have a particular tough SOS.
Sos is relative. Winning your division has never been a requirement, probably because the committee recognizes that not all conferences or divisions are created equal. The task is to get the 4 best teams in the country into the playoff. Even the best resume is subjective. Alabama lost to a really good team on the road, that had just whipped the eventual SEC champion. That was their only loss. Was two loss Ohio State more deserving, with their blowout loss to a bad team? One loss Clemson, with a loss to 4-8 Syracuse? Are we just not going to punish a team for losing to a shite opponent because they managed to win their conference? The proof is in the pudding, they’ve gotten it right every year. You and the rest of the jealous housewives here hate Alabama, that isn’t enough justification to leave them out of the field when they’re one of the best 4 teams in the country, which they have been the last 4 years. The way some of you talk you’d think 9-3 Alabama was making the playoffs every year. They haven’t gotten in with more than 1 loss
LSU could have 1 loss to Alabama this season and be left out of the SECCG. That could include wins over top 10 auburn and Georgia. Would anyone want them left out of the playoff because they didn’t win their league while the PAC 12 champ gets in with a loss to Utah? It seems people want to hold Alabama to a higher standard to justify their omission. I’m glad that there’s a group of people that have a better understanding of the game making that decision and not jealous fans with Alabama fatigue.
This post was edited on 8/13/18 at 9:34 am
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:36 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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Sos is relative.
Agreed.
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Winning your division has never been a requirement,
See, that's where a debate with you cannot happen. Not dogging you or anything, but you live in a different world with different standards. That is the problem many have. A hundred-plus teams are told annually "you have to win your conference to have a chance". When those teams don't, OR lose their biggest regular season game of the year, they are eliminated.
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They haven’t gotten in with more than 1 loss
Agreed. Again, many teams in similar situations aren't given that chance. You have the brand. More power to you.
Only problem is it makes CFB so predictable.
For example. Last year, I stated over and over, it would be wise for Bama to LOSE to Auburn. That would guarantee them a title. They get another week off while UGA/AU and others are killing themselves winning an extra game. Like 2011, Bama can rest up for an opportunity not many other teams would get.
Once again, they lost their most important regular season game and were rewarded.
As an LSU fan, I can promise you if LSU lost to Bama in 2011, LSU goes to the Sugar Bowl, and rightfully so. There is no rematch. Hell, the pundits were even stating if LSU lost to UGA in the 2011 SECCG they may not make the title game even after that schedule.
That's college football in a nutshell.
Enjoy your double standards. You have benefitted greatly. Only problem is it is dulling the excitement of the game.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:49 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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See, that's where a debate with you cannot happen. Not dogging you or anything, but you live in a different world with different standards. That is the problem many have. A hundred-plus teams are told annually "you have to win your conference to have a chance". When those teams don't, OR lose their biggest regular season game of the year, they are eliminated.
That’s simply not true. Nobody has been undeservedly left out yet have they? Is a two loss big ten champ more deserving than a 1 loss sec team that didn’t win their conference? If you can answer that without more details (who they lost to, how they lost) then again, it’s just anti Alabama bias. This isn’t some new phenomenon. Oklahoma lost a conference championship game by 4 fricking touchdowns and then played for the national title. The big 12 doesn’t even have a conference championship game anymore. Wisconsin won their division without even playing a decent football team. College football is way too different from one coast to the other to have some set in stone criteria for advancing to the playoff. This isn’t the nfl where everyone plays a similar schedule. The task is to get the best teams in. They’ve done that every single year, surprisingly. I’m still waiting to hear on who was wrongfully left out of any of the playoffs
Posted on 8/13/18 at 10:04 am to sms151t
Yeah the team that won it had no business even being there. Makes total sense.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 10:07 am to sms151t
To anyone says that they want only conference champs, please justify this. In 2016 Ohio State went in to Norman Oklahoma and won by 3 scores. Ohio State played a tougher schedule and finished 11-1. Oklahoma won their conference but finished 10-2. So why should we have a system where OU would get in over Ohio State
This post was edited on 8/13/18 at 10:08 am
Posted on 8/13/18 at 10:11 am to Glorious
You think a Champion should be the best team or the team that did what was asked? That’s the debate. To me it should be the conferences that determine their rep as they see fit by rules known before the season. The Committee should seed the teams. It should be just like every other NCAA sport.
This post was edited on 8/13/18 at 10:14 am
Posted on 8/13/18 at 10:15 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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Is a two loss big ten champ more deserving than a 1 loss sec team that didn’t win their conference
Yes if we are finding a Champion not best team. Can you tell me what the best team is first?
Posted on 8/13/18 at 10:16 am to sms151t
I think it should be best team. That way we don’t have to eliminate contenders based on stupid qualifications. In 2016 Ohio State lost to Penn State by a couple of points in Happy Valley on a block field goal touchdown. They still went in to Norman and Madison and got a victory. They beat 10-2 Michigan. That one crazy loss should not mean everything when the season is a full 13 weeks
Posted on 8/13/18 at 10:17 am to Glorious
Tell me what the best team is then? Because you really can not define it to satisfy everyone.
This post was edited on 8/13/18 at 10:19 am
Posted on 8/13/18 at 10:20 am to sms151t
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Because you really can not define it to satisfy everyone.
Well yea. We throw 68 teams and the tourney but people still bitch about who is left out
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