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re: Greg Maddux faced 20,421 batters in his career, only 133 saw a 3-0 count
Posted on 8/4/18 at 12:40 pm to partsman103
Posted on 8/4/18 at 12:40 pm to partsman103
4" off plate, his best pitch
Was the worst period in umpiring, ever.
Was the worst period in umpiring, ever.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 12:44 pm to CelticDog
I always get a kick out of Braves fans who cry about Eric Gregg in 97. They feasted on that shite for years. frick em
Posted on 8/4/18 at 1:35 pm to RD Dawg
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had agreed to a deal that would have sent the left fielder to the Braves for Alejandro Pena, Keith Mitchell and a prospect. Braves GM John Schuerholtz was confident that he could work out an extension to keep Bonds in Atlanta, and the teams were all set to announce the deal -- that is, until Pirates manager Jim Leyland got wind of it.
The Braves always wanted Bonds...I believe they also made an offer in the late 80's that included SS Andres Thomas (highly thought of at the time)but that trade was also nixed.
Should have let the trade go through. At least get a few good players in return.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 1:55 pm to LSUsmartass
This is no secret if you watched him pitch in the 90's.
He always, always, always, always, got that first pitch strike called that was a foot off the plate outside.
Always. Catcher would frame it up...Ump would call it. Braves taught that to all their pitchers.
Umps in the 90's were total dumbasses. They called a strike if you threw a perfect strike to the catcher regarless of how far the catcher was off the plate.
Which is why it was strange people were shocked by Livian Hernandez, Braves had been doing it all during the 90's. Pitch outside, pitch outside, pitch off the plate, frame it way off the plate...but right height and perfect strike to the catcher. He would sit right behind the plate and then move outside just before the pitch was thrown.
He always, always, always, always, got that first pitch strike called that was a foot off the plate outside.
Always. Catcher would frame it up...Ump would call it. Braves taught that to all their pitchers.
Umps in the 90's were total dumbasses. They called a strike if you threw a perfect strike to the catcher regarless of how far the catcher was off the plate.
Which is why it was strange people were shocked by Livian Hernandez, Braves had been doing it all during the 90's. Pitch outside, pitch outside, pitch off the plate, frame it way off the plate...but right height and perfect strike to the catcher. He would sit right behind the plate and then move outside just before the pitch was thrown.
This post was edited on 8/4/18 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 8/4/18 at 2:00 pm to DoUrden
One of the best seasons ever.... BUT lost when it mattered most in game 7 of the WS against Micky Lolich and the Tigers.... he’ll The Cards were up 3-1 in the series and lost the last two at home......
Posted on 8/4/18 at 2:19 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Which is why it was strange people were shocked by Livian Hernandez
He had 15 K's that game...a career high and the closest he ever came was 11 k's in '01
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u]We’re looking for some sort of confirmation that Gregg’s strike zone was comically large. Confirmation beyond popular opinion. We can begin with some of the numbers. In Game 5, Livan Hernandez struck out 15 Braves batters in a complete game. That stands as Hernandez’s career-high. The runner-up: 11 strikeouts, in July 2001. Hernandez has done that once. He’s struck out ten batters in a game twice. Hernandez has started many hundreds of games.
Hernandez threw 143 pitches, and 88 of them were strikes. Of those, 37 were called strikes. That regular season, 29% of Hernandez’s strikes were called. In Game 5, 42% of Hernandez’s strikes were called. The other starter in Game 5 was Greg Maddux, and he struck out nine batters in seven innings. That was well above his regular-season rate. But 29% of his strikes were called, against a season rate of 28%. It’s not a great measure, but that hints at a more favorable strike zone for Hernandez.
This post was edited on 8/4/18 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 8/4/18 at 3:11 pm to LSUsmartass
I loved to watch him pitch. He had the best control of any other pitcher I ever seen.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 3:44 pm to CelticDog
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4" off plate, his best pitch
shite, the “4 inches outside” crowd arrived. It was never 4 inches. 2 maybe. But getting that call is a skill that requires placing the ball on the black, then slowly walking it out so each pitch looks the same as the one before it. Most elite pitchers can do this.
This post was edited on 8/4/18 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 8/4/18 at 3:55 pm to LSUsmartass
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Maddux is the goat
Pedro >> Maddux
Posted on 8/4/18 at 4:04 pm to Jcorye1
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Pedro >> Maddux
Although, I do agree, I think it’s a lot closer than I previously thought. Maddux’s ‘92-‘98 run is historic, with ‘94 & ‘95 being some of the greatest seasons ever. But yeah, peak Pedro is the GOAT.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 4:05 pm to RollTide1987
Yep frick Bobby Cox. Everyone that posts on here could have won at least one World Series
Posted on 8/4/18 at 4:06 pm to Undertow
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shite, the “4 inches outside” crowd arrived. It was never 4 inches.
Here ya go...it was MINIMUM 4 inches in this exam
And no Hernandez doesn't get THAT much movement on the ball
Posted on 8/4/18 at 4:38 pm to RD Dawg
Fwiw that's not a straight on shot so it's tough to say how far off the plate it is.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 4:44 pm to Jcorye1
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Pedro >> Maddux
Not overall......
Posted on 8/4/18 at 5:26 pm to CaptSpaulding
I think one of his games ended in like 2 hours
Posted on 8/4/18 at 5:28 pm to ZZTIGERS
I don't think Pedro was clean though.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 5:52 pm to Jcorye1
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Pedro >> Maddux
What?Maddux had more than 130+ wins than Pedro
Posted on 8/4/18 at 6:44 pm to RD Dawg
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What?Maddux had more than 130+ wins than Pedro
Zack Godley has 7 more wins than deGrom this season, but also has a ERA that is 2.61 runs higher than deGrom. Wins should never be factored into a pitcher’s value, worth or GOATness for that matter.
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