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re: Would you want your son to major in a liberal arts degree?
Posted on 7/30/18 at 8:51 pm to Jim Rockford
Posted on 7/30/18 at 8:51 pm to Jim Rockford
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When I was in school the Foreign Service and various alphabet agencies heavily recruited liberal arts graduates at little old mediocre LSU. I knew one guy who went to work for the CIA, and another for NSA.
can you elaborate? im interested in working for the alphabet agencies
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 8:55 pm to Boo Krewe
Knew two guys who got on with the NSA. Both had a foreign born parent, and both were excellent students in ME. Also both were total dorks. The background checks were insane.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 8:57 pm to Sun God
what about foreign service?
Posted on 7/30/18 at 9:03 pm to Boo Krewe
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what about foreign service?
They had zero in that area afaik
Posted on 7/30/18 at 9:19 pm to wazoo11
Classic liberal arts education was useful.
Included philosophy, history, languages, math, biology, chemistry and physics.
A classic eduction including the study of Plato, Socrates, Aristotle, John Locke, Immanuel Kant, etc would be useful to anyone wanting to learn how to think.
Unfortunately, eduction has morphed into indoctrination. What to feel has replaced how to think. Debate is squelched. Orthodoxy is mandated. Freedom of thought is not allowed.
Included philosophy, history, languages, math, biology, chemistry and physics.
A classic eduction including the study of Plato, Socrates, Aristotle, John Locke, Immanuel Kant, etc would be useful to anyone wanting to learn how to think.
Unfortunately, eduction has morphed into indoctrination. What to feel has replaced how to think. Debate is squelched. Orthodoxy is mandated. Freedom of thought is not allowed.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 1:16 am to Boo Krewe
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can you elaborate? im interested in working for the alphabet agencies
AFAIK know they were just like any other employer. They'd post up a notice that they would be on campus and anyone interested would sign up. This was for analyst positions and the like. I'm sure the clandestine service was a different ballgame.
I know the vetting process was extensive. One of the guys had a roommate who had dual US-Canadian citizenship. That made the interviewers very squirrely but it didnt keep him from eventually getting hired.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 5:42 am to makersmark1
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Unfortunately, eduction has morphed into indoctrination. What to feel has replaced how to think. Debate is squelched. Orthodoxy is mandated. Freedom of thought is not allowed.
If you actually think most large southern universities are like that then I feel sorry for you.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 6:04 am to CorporateTiger
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If you actually think most large southern universities are like that then I feel sorry for you.
If you actually think his statement doesn’t apply to the liberal arts and “social sciences” at most large southern universities, then I feel sorry for you.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 9:39 am to Mingo Was His NameO
Call me what you will, padna, but even if 1/3 of the class doesn’t support this ideology, do you honestly believe the other 2/3, and the author of the book, are going to allow a different perspective? If so, you’re what my grand pappy used to call, “green as goose manure”.
Now, if I’m wrong, I’ll come back and say I’m wrong...but recent history has proven SJW’s are not open to a two way debate.
Now, if I’m wrong, I’ll come back and say I’m wrong...but recent history has proven SJW’s are not open to a two way debate.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 10:57 am to wazoo11
Would I want my child to major in a liberal arts degree, not really. But, ultimately, I would want him to choose a degree field that he is passionate about. There's too many people out there making good money, but they are unhappy as frick because they simply hate their job and have no joy at all going to work everyday. That is not what I want for my children.
That being said, I will talk with them to make sure they understand what they are getting themselves into. I want them to understand that they are limiting their job opportunities, earning potential, etc. They will have to work 2x as hard to make sure they are well rounded with great skills to offer a company, excellent networker, etc.
That being said, I will talk with them to make sure they understand what they are getting themselves into. I want them to understand that they are limiting their job opportunities, earning potential, etc. They will have to work 2x as hard to make sure they are well rounded with great skills to offer a company, excellent networker, etc.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 11:01 am to wazoo11
Only if he was going for an advanced degree that stood for something and could land him a good job/career. Otherwise a waste of money
Posted on 7/31/18 at 11:09 am to go_tigres
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Now, if I’m wrong, I’ll come back and say I’m wrong...but recent history has proven SJW’s are not open to a two way debate.
This is pretty much exactly the point I was trying to make. If it's open an sincere, sure, I am all for it. I have my doubts though.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 1:05 pm to CorporateTiger
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If you actually think most large southern universities are like that then I feel sorry for you
University of Texas.
Mizzou.
Auburn is a holdout.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 2:27 pm to rowbear1922
Exactly.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 3:26 pm to 14&Counting
Clearly, your ignorance is showing. Fear not, I also was at one time, ignorant. I have a BA and MBA, my dad is an engineer and my mother a CPA. After getting my MBA I was quite the snob, feeling better than the hard working layman. But any plumber, welder, carpenter, whatever -- that is smart enough and hard working enough,,,, can have fantastic lives. Pretty good money and great freedom of life.
Engineers sit in cubicles paying off student loans, and without total control of their future. Plumbers create their own business and answer only to themselves. Who is really winning here?
Every fricking plumber in the world will make more money and have way more flexibility in life, then the proud owner of a liberal arts degree.
PS. I am not a plumber, do not know any plumbers personally, but without question....
I would prefer my son to become a plumber, then go to college for a liberal arts degree..
Zero question. Of course, the boy is a chip off the old block and is a verified, legit genius. There is no way he would ever even think about liberal arts hahahahah!
Engineers sit in cubicles paying off student loans, and without total control of their future. Plumbers create their own business and answer only to themselves. Who is really winning here?
Every fricking plumber in the world will make more money and have way more flexibility in life, then the proud owner of a liberal arts degree.
PS. I am not a plumber, do not know any plumbers personally, but without question....
I would prefer my son to become a plumber, then go to college for a liberal arts degree..
Zero question. Of course, the boy is a chip off the old block and is a verified, legit genius. There is no way he would ever even think about liberal arts hahahahah!
Posted on 7/31/18 at 3:33 pm to wazoo11
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Had a discussion with my uncle today that many college liberal arts courses are now forcing social justice upon their students.
Everyone has that uncle. I see him at family reunions and holidays, and he's insufferable from watching fox news 24/7.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 3:34 pm to wazoo11
This is such a ridiculous Fox News/facebook trope.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 3:50 pm to wazoo11
Absolutely not. My baby boomer parents fed me the lines about "doing what you want" and not having to be practical. The only job I could find out of a bachelor's degree was blue collar work. Difference from other blue collar workers was that I had a large student debt bill.
Over a decade later, I got an advanced degree and found work in that field making somewhat decent money, but it took a long time and a struggle to get there.
Make money. Humanities are for hobbies and retirees.
Over a decade later, I got an advanced degree and found work in that field making somewhat decent money, but it took a long time and a struggle to get there.
Make money. Humanities are for hobbies and retirees.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 4:07 pm to Upperdecker
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What? Serving tables sucks. Nothing worse than having to suck up to every random idiot that sits at your table bc they completely control your pay
If you don't like people, you should not be in the service industry.
I also loved my time in the service industry. The people were often the best part. Some sucked, but not most.
I did my job well and sold them a good experience instead of just taking orders: my income was far higher than any $15/hour B.S.
I was an idiot in my 20s and blew money as soon as I made it. That lifestyle is for the young, but one can clean up on the tip system and generally have a great time doing it.
Have a real job now that I also enjoy, but a great deal of my current success came from people skills developed in those old bar and restaurant days.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 4:15 pm to wazoo11
Nothing wrong with a liberal arts education if he wants to teach or go to law school.
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