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re: B.R. Morning Advocate sports, LSU no. 6 nationally, suddenly QB talent flocking to LSU
Posted on 6/23/18 at 6:35 am to TigerLunatik
Posted on 6/23/18 at 6:35 am to TigerLunatik
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It's great news that the guy committed Cliff. I hope my post didn't come off as otherwise.
My issue is only with using the rankings when it suits a certain narrative. Let's use them all of the time or non of the time is the only thing I'm saying.
It's a public forum. YOU can use the rankings however YOU feel. YOU need to be prepared when you use bits of info out of context.
Certainly you are eluding to Troy and Moo State losses last year. Talent? Sure! Inexperience, injury, suspensions? Another sure!
Do the math
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Posted on 6/23/18 at 6:41 am to Bayou
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It's a public forum. YOU can use the rankings however YOU feel
To lunatic pointing out that the recruiting services sometimes miss on a recruits ranking makes you a hypocrite when you later point to the class ranking. Nevermind that both statements can have merit. The whole argument is tiring, boring and should've been covered in a couple of posts yet it's been dragged from thread to thread.
Posted on 6/23/18 at 8:27 am to Bayou
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Certainly you are eluding to Troy and Moo State losses last year. Talent? Sure! Inexperience, injury, suspensions? Another sure!
Honestly, I was only referring to people telling me that the talent rankings are bullshite, inaccurate or don't matter at all when I brought up the 247 list of most talented teams last year. You assumed something and was wrong, I wasn't being the least bit negative about anything to do with the program.
In retrospect, it was not a good point to be made in this thread because OP was simply giving info. I made an assumption that it was an attempt to use the rankings as an example of success and I was dead wrong. It was a poor choice to make that arguement here. My apologies for that.
Posted on 6/23/18 at 8:30 am to bencoleman
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The whole argument is tiring, boring and should've been covered in a couple of posts yet it's been dragged from thread to thread.
You're definitely right here, Ben and I have to take some blame for that. Double standards are the one thing that can get my frustration level up and I think I've made my point with it for now.
Posted on 6/23/18 at 8:51 am to earl keese
IT want matter who is the QB if LSU'S offense doesn't learn to block! 
Posted on 6/23/18 at 10:49 am to sunnydaze
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Didn’t matter what school guys like Jennings and Rettig went to, they weren’t good.
That’s recruiting.
Don't agree. Do you think Prescott would have been even half as good as he was had he come to LSU straight out of high school? What about Teddy Bridgewater, Johnny Manziel, RG3, Darren Thomas, etc. These were guys that at one point or another wanted to attend LSU out of high school, but most of the time we declined or other guys committed over them.
They ran wide open offenses that catered to their skillset. We never did that under Miles. Even with Cam Cameron, the only reason we looked so good was because Mett was already developed somewhere else and just needed slight adjustments and SEC experience, and we had two future multi pro bowl WRs that he could throw to.
You gonna tell me Ryan Perriloux wouldn't have been good? Even JJ after completing 61% of his passes with 17 TDs to 7 ints in 11 games as a first year sophomore with zero run game and the worst LSU OL of this century, regressed to an embarrassing state. That guy had talent. He was 6'5 with a cannon arm, 4.6 speed, and more efficient passing the ball in 2009 than a redshirt senior Flynn was in 2007. Harris had insane physical talent, but I always believed he'd have been better if we ran a spread offense from jump. Who knows what he could have done if actually properly coached from jump.
Nah, it's more on development man. When it's year after year after year, although you bring in guys from Cali, Georgia, Texas, pro styles, dual threats, 3 stars and a stupid amount of 4 stars. Guys with little to no mobility, to guys that are so athletic, that they could play RB and possibly WR. From 5'11 guys up to 6'7 guys.
Posted on 6/23/18 at 10:54 am to TrueTigerTale
“highly”Posted on 6/23/18 at 11:16 am to Stevo
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Yeah, North Carolina did such a better job developing BH. I stand corrected. You morons are morons.
What do you expect after 3 years of no development? LSU has had two major problems that hindered them from greater success, and neither were Bama. Miles never adapted to a modern offense, and we never got a dedicated QB coach, that actually had success developing college QBs. I mean 3 star guys can develop enough to destroy the league.
Look at Manziel under Kingsbury, or Prescott under Mullen, or Brandon Allen under Dan Enos, or Blake Sims under Lane Kiffin . How about Dylan Thompson who was barely, and I do mean barely, a composite 3 star, that led the league in passing in 2014.
Burrow will continue a trend of only transfer QBs succeeding here if we don't actually improve QB coaching and offensive scheme.
Posted on 6/23/18 at 11:43 am to Datbayoubengal
You make some good points...It always seemed (Miles/Cameron era) that we were trying to fit the square peg into a circle..Dual threat into a Pro set/Power I...I await what this offense under Ensminger intends to do..Scheme/Identity..We know it will be multiple backs toting the ball..with talented WR's who to date have not touched their potential yet...But specifically the Miami game..They don't know exactly what type of Offense we are running..We can' go by his games as OC the last 1/2 of '16..He was using Cams playbook...Well see...Beat the 'Canes!!
Posted on 6/23/18 at 11:47 am to Datbayoubengal
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Miles never adapted to a modern offense, and we never got a dedicated QB coach, that actually had success developing college QBs.
That offense wins games in the pro’s every year and is the preferred choice. The Jags proved it last year for example.
Just idiots that post shite like this who don’t know football.
The offense needed better coaching for receivers and TEs. And where was the coaching of QBs that had the ability to read a fricking defense? Why couldn’t they do like everyone else and be able to read plays and get rid of the ball fast. You can’t “out talent” people at this level. You have to have discipline and an intellect to be able to make these decisions working 2-3 secs. LSU wanted to “home run” pass everything. It isn’t always about the fricking offensive line.
Posted on 6/23/18 at 11:54 am to kemowasabi
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It always seemed (Miles/Cameron era) that we were trying to fit the square peg into a circle..Dual threat into a Pro set/Power I...I await what this offense under Ensminger intends to do..Scheme/Identity.
I agree about that square peg problem under Miles.
My question is, and this isn’t a bash O post, but have we fixed that problem, or are we repeating the same mistakes?
Didn’t O say he wanted the USC offense with a pro style QB? Even the new commit is a pure dual threat QB. Burrow, while he appears to be a good passer, was qualified as a dual threat as well.
I love the Burrow signing. It’s a program changing get imo. But if we still aren’t sure what type of offense we want to consistently run, are we in for trouble once Burrow moves on or doesn’t pan out??
There, an actual football question
Posted on 6/23/18 at 12:07 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Correct..Some say we got Burrow because we told him we'd build the offense "around him"....what that means exactly I don't know...or If in fact we told him that..Will he work out of the shot gun..or will he be under center?....I guess the only way to determine what we intend to run is to look at the QB's they are offering now...Parrish a DT QB,Finley a Pro set although some say a Dual threat..
Posted on 6/23/18 at 12:45 pm to TrueTigerTale
Makes you wonder who we could have got last cycle if O hadn't botched the Canada hire
Posted on 6/23/18 at 12:51 pm to magildachunks
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Canada couldn't pull in a single QB who wanted to play in his offense.
Maybe he was honest with those recruits in telling them he had a HC that neither was knowledgeable or supportive of his philosophy.
Posted on 6/23/18 at 3:24 pm to BearCrocs
Lsu has done a very poor job of recruiting QBs.
Posted on 6/23/18 at 3:56 pm to kemowasabi
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Correct..Some say we got Burrow because we told him we'd build the offense "around him"....what that means exactly I don't know...or If in fact we told him that..Will he work out of the shot gun..or will he be under center?....I guess the only way to determine what we intend to run is to look at the QB's they are offering now...Parrish a DT QB,Finley a Pro set although some say a Dual threat..
I would say that we are primarily recruiting QBs now with accurate compact throwing mechanics. That appears to be the common link between Burrow, Finley, and Parrish though each has a vastly different body type. Coach E seems to be focusing on throwing technique.
Posted on 6/23/18 at 4:24 pm to TrueTigerTale
The title of that article is "Is LSU the new QB-U? "
Posted on 6/23/18 at 4:28 pm to rmnldr
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You really need to point out that you're being sarcastic or acting dumb.
He's not acting, ree really is dumb.
Posted on 6/23/18 at 5:37 pm to Goldrush25
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Maybe he was honest with those recruits in telling them he had a HC that neither was knowledgeable or supportive of his philosophy.
If he was honest he would have to tell the recruits that EVERYONE in the football OPS building hated him including the defensive coordinator and associate head coach.
LSU and Steve Ensminger: How Did We Get Here?
"Last year, when hiring Lane Kiffin fell through, Alleva and other powerbrokers made it clear to Orgeron that they expected another big name. Enter the Matt Canada fiasco — and that’s not a bad word to use.
Basically, once the work became serious, Canada became a problem for virtually everybody in the LSU Ops Building to work with. Dave Aranda, in particular, very much wanted him gone. It wasn’t about philosophy or jet sweeps or motions so much as it was just a basic working relationship and trust."
Posted on 6/23/18 at 5:44 pm to TigerRagAndrew
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Phillip Rivers is still in the NFL with the Chargers.
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What in the actual frick
Oh that's right. LSU could only get Phillip's younger brother Stephen. But he was a great LSU QB in his own right.
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