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re: Should we really be spending 2/3 of federal spending on the old and sick?
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:51 am to Homesick Tiger
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:51 am to Homesick Tiger
No, I’m blessed to say I haven’t needed one. However, because I haven’t had surgery, does this somehow prevent me from acknowledging the failures of a system that makes promise after promise only to continually fail? Why is it wrong to point out these fallacies?
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Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:51 am to tigerdude3232
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Why do the poor, sick, and old get such a large chunk of the pie?
WWJD?
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:53 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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WWJD?
Advocate personal charity.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:53 am to Draconian Sanctions
Call it what you will, it’s failing. How you term it has no impact on its impending doom.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:53 am to jnethe1
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does this somehow prevent me from acknowledging the failures of a system that makes promise after promise only to continually fail?
Medicaid and Medicare have not failed, they aren’t perfect and it’s perfectly reasonable to look at ways they can be improved. That’s a very different thing than saying let’s gut the programs and let those people die, which conservatives and libertarians are often want to do.
This post was edited on 6/18/18 at 8:54 am
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:54 am to tigerdude3232
Not quite 2/3, but too much - I agree.
There should be lifetime caps on medicare/medicaid expenditures.
Sending an 85 yo diabetic to dialysis at $400-$600 per day just to prolong the inevitable is nuts.
There should be lifetime caps on medicare/medicaid expenditures.
Sending an 85 yo diabetic to dialysis at $400-$600 per day just to prolong the inevitable is nuts.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:56 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Medicaid and Medicare have not failed
Well, if you look at the budget you could easily come to that conclusion.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:58 am to tigerdude3232
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Should we really be spending so much every year on preserving life instead of advancing it? Why do the poor, sick, and old get such a large chunk of the pie?
So you're saying we should be spending this on the illegals being trafficked into the country instead?
That we should let the elderly and sick die in order to provide for non citizens abducted and sold into the nation?
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Should we really be spending so much every year on preserving life instead of advancing it? Why do the poor, sick, and old get such a large chunk of the pie?
Oh wow...how about we just kill em all when they reach 70.
Save the illegal families but keep aborting American babies and kill the ones that brought this country to you.
I am sixty five, how long do I have left?
This post was edited on 6/18/18 at 9:01 am
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:59 am to Homesick Tiger
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You suck at math.
I'm sorry douche but I should have stated almost 2/3....Almost 2/3 with Veterans' Benefits and Housing & Community ...Also we are spending 4 trillion a year now...not that little 3.27 number you wanna pop out from 2 years ago.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:02 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Yeah octogenarians drawing Social Security regularly blow the money on spinning rims
Probably not because they bought them (or other equally dumb shite) earlier in life which is what led them to be on government assistance. Must be nice to live a consequence free existence. Can I come?
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:03 am to jnethe1
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However, because I haven’t had surgery, does this somehow prevent me from acknowledging the failures of a system that makes promise after promise only to continually fail?
I directly responded to your "we'll never get our money back" statement. What you said can basically be used as an argument against car insurance, homeowner's insurance, basically any kind of insurance. How much of that do we pay premiums for but yet ever get our money back? Do you complain about that?
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:03 am to Draconian Sanctions
No one is suggesting that these people be allowed to die. We are merely advocating for the replacement of a system that was made under many good intended promises, yet is failing to deliver. We spend so much on these programs, yet get nothing close in return. The programs are currently on path to fail in a few years. What is the reason for their failure?
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:04 am to themunch
quote:You are around my father's age, and I want to keep him around as long as possible
I am sixty five, how long do I have left?
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:06 am to Homesick Tiger
No, the difference between those insurance programs and government mandated social security and Medicare is that the insurance companies will deliver on what they have said. And are not failing under their own weight.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:06 am to Diamondawg
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Should we really be spending so much every year on preserving life instead of advancing it? Why do the poor, sick, and old get such a large chunk of the pie?
They didn't design the system but sure as hell spent their entire working life putting money into it. The government said if you do this, then we (the government) will do this. It's kind of like a contract. Understand now?
You know one generation got benefits without paying in huh? They all got free money for nothing. Understand now baby boy?
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:08 am to RogerTheShrubber
Die and leave you to fend for yourself.....
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:08 am to tigerdude3232
I remember before Medicare and Medicaid existed.
Old people were not dying in the street. There were 2 strategies that worked very well:
1. Anticipate your retirement years and save. Become invested in your company's medical insurance program so it covers you after retirement.
Problem today: Medical care was a LOT cheaper back then. And I'm not talking about inflation. A doctor coming to your house after he closed shop to examine you and give you a shot was $5.
2. Families. The deal was simple. I take care of my aged parents. When I get old my children take care of me and mom.
Problem today: Do people still get married and have children?
Old people were not dying in the street. There were 2 strategies that worked very well:
1. Anticipate your retirement years and save. Become invested in your company's medical insurance program so it covers you after retirement.
Problem today: Medical care was a LOT cheaper back then. And I'm not talking about inflation. A doctor coming to your house after he closed shop to examine you and give you a shot was $5.
2. Families. The deal was simple. I take care of my aged parents. When I get old my children take care of me and mom.
Problem today: Do people still get married and have children?
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:09 am to Eli Goldfinger
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Not quite 2/3, but too much - I agree.
There should be lifetime caps on medicare/medicaid expenditures.
Sending an 85 yo diabetic to dialysis at $400-$600 per day just to prolong the inevitable is nuts.
Thank you for being reasonable and for understanding 2/3 is and approximation
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