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Should we really be spending 2/3 of federal spending on the old and sick?

Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:29 am
Posted by tigerdude3232
Member since Nov 2009
730 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:29 am
Should we really be spending so much every year on preserving life instead of advancing it? Why do the poor, sick, and old get such a large chunk of the pie?
Posted by Zahrim
McCamey Texas
Member since Mar 2009
7667 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:30 am to
evidence please.
Posted by ItNeverRains
37069
Member since Oct 2007
25478 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:30 am to
They won't survive the next round of tax cuts. I wouldn't worry about it too much.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37544 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:31 am to
Sounds very much like you want the government to create pannels tondetermine who gives to prolong their life and whose is not worth saving. I think many people got mocked for pointing out these exist in socialized medicine
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260877 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:33 am to
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Should we really be spending so much every year on preserving life instead of advancing it? Why do the poor, sick, and old get such a large chunk of the pie?


Oh wow...how about we just kill em all when they reach 70.
Posted by BurningHeart
Member since Jan 2017
9521 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:34 am to
People should be expected to have a livable wage saved up by the time they're at retirement age.

Not my responsibility to pay for Gertrude's meals now that she's 80 and can't afford it, when 50 years ago she decided to live a free bird life of drugs and sex.

Having said that, I don't mind a small portion of taxes going to help older people that fall into extraordinary situations.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54212 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:34 am to
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2/3 of federal spending on the old and sick?



Maybe you should get your facts straight:

quote:

During FY2016, the federal government spent $3.27 trillion on a budget or cash basis, up $18 billion or 1% vs. FY2015 spending of $3.25 trillion. Major categories of FY 2016 spending included:

Healthcare such as Medicare and Medicaid ($1,060B or 28% of spending),
Social Security ($910B or 24%),
Non-defense discretionary spending used to run federal Departments and Agencies ($600B or 16%),
Defense Department ($585B or 15%),
Interest ($240B or 6%).[1]


You suck at math.
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:36 am to
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Sounds very much like you want the government to create pannels tondetermine who gives to prolong their life and whose is not worth saving. I think many people got mocked for pointing out these exist in socialized medicine


Id love for government to not fund the old and sick. Im living out my life right now assuming I wont have the government paying for me when im old. Everyone should be doing that.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
29824 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:37 am to
I believe we as a society should come together to have available basic health care for everyone. I’m not saying it has to be a government mandate or provided by the government but that should be a value we collectively embrace. That being said, the operative word is “basic”. Unfortunately everyone can’t be entitled to cutting edge treatment and life-prolonging/enhancing operations just “because”. Finding that line where basic ends and expanded begins however is the tricky part.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
32261 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:37 am to
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Should we really be spending so much every year on preserving life instead of advancing it? Why do the poor, sick, and old get such a large chunk of the pie?
They didn't design the system but sure as hell spent their entire working life putting money into it. The government said if you do this, then we (the government) will do this. It's kind of like a contract. Understand now?
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
16143 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:41 am to
It doesn’t matter what the percentage is. This is nothing more than the government taking money in the name of doing something right and instead misusing the money. You will never ever get the amount of money you put into the system when you one day need it. It is nothing more than a ponzi scheme. Furthermore, it’s a system that is doomed to fail under its own weight. Why support something that can’t support those whom it was designed to help, let alone itself.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
84876 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:42 am to
Nah we should spend the money on fighter planes we’ll never use and reducing taxes on the super rich so they can buy a 5th yacht.
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
16143 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:43 am to
It’s a contract in the same way that a timeshare contract is. Flawed in every single conceivable way.
Posted by 225bred
COYS
Member since Jun 2011
20386 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:45 am to
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54212 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:46 am to
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You will never ever get the amount of money you put into the system when you one day need it.


You haven't had major surgery lately have you?
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
84876 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:46 am to
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Flawed in every single conceivable way.


Glad we’re not being hyperbolic in this thread
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
29824 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:48 am to
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ah we should spend the money on fighter planes we’ll never use and reducing taxes on the super rich so they can buy a 5th yacht.


Yeah, give it to the poor because they always make sound financial decisions. Just ask the spinning rims vendor who has several rent-to-own options or the local Newport Cigarettes and Pepsi distributor and they can tell you.
Posted by tigerdude3232
Member since Nov 2009
730 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:48 am to
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quote:
Should we really be spending so much every year on preserving life instead of advancing it? Why do the poor, sick, and old get such a large chunk of the pie?


Oh wow...how about we just kill em all when they reach 70.


Damn you are dramatic dude......I didn't say that, I asked if we should be spending 2/3 of our spending on the poor, sick, and weak....
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260877 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:49 am to
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......I didn't say that, I asked if we should be spending 2/3 of our spending on the poor, sick, and weak....


We don't.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
84876 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:51 am to
Yeah octogenarians drawing Social Security regularly blow the money on spinning rims

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