re: I think we need to loosen the leash on police and what they can do.

I think state power should always be on a very short leash.

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I don’t think the two are related. It’s more likely that this relates more to societal changes (erosion of nuclear family where fathers are present and respect for authority is taught and expected).

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You could have stopped at "I don't think"

Because there is a direct correlation between officers who are able to handle suspects without resorting to a firearm and the number of people who end up getting shot.

I mean this is just basic common sense. I was an MP for many years. I'm a big strong guy who knows martial arts, I RARELY ever had to pull my gun , so the odds of me having to shoot someone were pretty slim. As an example.

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You could have stopped at "I don't think"

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Lovely.

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Because there is a direct correlation between officers who are able to handle suspects without resorting to a firearm and the number of people who end up getting shot. I mean this is just basic common sense.

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Maybe, but could it also be because the lack of respect for authority means it’s more likely that those situations escalate and the use of lethal force is required?

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I was an MP for many years. I'm a big strong guy who knows martial arts, I RARELY ever had to pull my gun , so the odds of me having to shoot someone were pretty slim. As an example.

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So, you were dealing with people who likely had a healthy respect for authority. Hardly compares with what cops who handle situations with the general public experience.

Let the brutality go forth, right? Not enough kids shot yet?

Or we could legalize drugs, fire half the cops,close half the prisons, and still dramatically increase the sentences for violent offenders.

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Maybe, but could it also be because the lack of respect for authority means it’s more likely that those situations escalate and the use of lethal force is required?

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There has always been a certain segment of the population who has a distinct lack of respect for authority. Always, and there always will be, and yes that most definitely causes issues to escalate. Take that kid in Milwaukee. Obviously he was disrespectful. If he had simply cooperate, the entire incident would have been over in minutes, and he would have been on his way with a ticket and nothing more.

That's nothing new though. Been going on since the first dude put on a badge and said "I'm the law"

The difference is 40 years ago, one cop would have kicked the shite out of that kid, then wrote him a ticket and sent him on his way and if the kid even complained about it, no one gave a shite. So the next time that kid did something stupid and was confronted by police he'd think to himself "self last time I was disresepctful I got my arse kicked, so this time I'mma be yessir nosir"

In contrast to this dumbshit who was rewarded for his own bad behavior , so what's that encourage? Of course more bad behavior.

But to the topic of people being shot. Let's look at Michael Brown, he was shot because that officer couldn't handle him without going lethal. In the old days he would have got the brakes beat off him , but he would have left there alive. And no one would say anything about him getting his arse beat by cops, people were adults about it and could admit that yeah he almost certainly deserved it. But the Michael Browns of the world today know there are plenty of piece of shite liberals ready to call out cops who harm a resisting subject in any way, which emboldens them couple with officers who simply aren't capable of defending themselves in unarmed fighting, and you end up with more people getting shot.

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I saw a body cam video where an officer was trying to taze a resisting thug, but he accidentally ended up tazing another cop instead.

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You just know the Guys had some good laughs out of that. Assuming no one got hurt. Probably still milking that cow. It you can't take the pressure, you shouldn't have a job applying it, with a gun as backup.

God bless LE. Hard job nowadays.

how you gonna get skreeet cred if you comply to law enforcement when you're 100% guilty of something???? you know how rough it is in the hood?

i'd rather die than comply!!!!

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Or we could legalize drugs, fire half the cops,close half the prisons, and still dramatically increase the sentences for violent offenders.

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Or we could close all the prisons and when someone commits a violent crime we give them drugs that make them convulse into painful spasms whenever they feel the urge to be bad.

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What's wrong with lethal? If the law said 'Comply or the cop can shoot you dead' the result would be compliance. Perps run because they know the cop won't shoot.

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Thats a lot of trust in the government