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Student loan debt just topped $1.52 trillion
Posted on 5/22/18 at 1:36 am
Posted on 5/22/18 at 1:36 am
They have made college inaccessible for the middle class. (As in, graduating without debt.) The demand is high because of the false promises of a better life with a degree; however, a degree does not change a persons intelligence. Many programs have lowered academic rigor in order to keep people who should have never been allowed in, in. For-profit colleges have jumped at the opportunity to enslave kids who would have been better off in a trade school. Most of our Universities care more about their football brand than student success. Every year, European students are scoring higher on intelligence tests than Americans but graduate with no debt. In Germany, only the brightest can enroll in college (for free) and only about 50% of them are able to graduate because of the challenges of the academic rigor. Germany doesn't mind paying the bill for the truly bright;however, will not waste money on people who should have never been admitted, like in the U.S.A. Universities for-profit and non-profit alike are damaging our future economy based on false assumptions of a better life. Many of the students, who should never have been admitted, are graduating with useless degrees and lack of program accreditation. The lack of their research into the program for which they enroll, suggests they should not be in college. What reform would you suggest in order to fix this problem? Trump seems to be ignoring it.
Yes, I have a degree and currently, working on an M.B.A; however, I found ways to do it without getting into debt i.e. military. Unfortunately, many Americans are not considering alternatives to student loans. Honestly, the only people who should have student loan debt should be Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers etc., not history, business and arts majors.
Yes, I have a degree and currently, working on an M.B.A; however, I found ways to do it without getting into debt i.e. military. Unfortunately, many Americans are not considering alternatives to student loans. Honestly, the only people who should have student loan debt should be Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers etc., not history, business and arts majors.
This post was edited on 5/22/18 at 1:40 am
Posted on 5/22/18 at 1:44 am to rivermonsters87
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The demand is high because of the false promises of a better life with a degree; however, a degree does not change a persons intelligence.
Demand is high because government is giving out loans like candy to almost anyone who wants one.
If government stopped giving loans and grants, tuition costs would plummet, dumb/useless classes would be dropped, and actual education, not indoctrination, would flourish.
Posted on 5/22/18 at 1:55 am to rivermonsters87
I don’t buy the argument that prices are high because demand is high
That only explains short term trends
Economic theory says an increase in demand raises price in short term, but the industry experiencing the increased demand is now receiving higher than normal profits, which attracts investment and drops price down.
Why is this not happening with education?
That only explains short term trends
Economic theory says an increase in demand raises price in short term, but the industry experiencing the increased demand is now receiving higher than normal profits, which attracts investment and drops price down.
Why is this not happening with education?
Posted on 5/22/18 at 2:24 am to rivermonsters87
quote:I did see a lot of that back in my working days. People working in a field totally unrelated to their degree and some still having student loan debt. That degree got them 1 more week of vacation per year.
, not history, business and arts majors.
Posted on 5/22/18 at 2:43 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I don’t buy the argument that prices are high because demand is high
Like a previous poster posted, demand is high because the government is handing loans out like candy; however, demand is still high nonetheless. If they would stop giving out 100k loans to students who are ultimately going to work at Wal-mart with the degree and never be able to repay the debt, then demand would go down. It is a long-term trend because the student loans are still available. People with bad credit and horrible money management skills are taking out 80k loans and never repaying. Yet, we are investing in it, horrible returns.
Posted on 5/22/18 at 3:29 am to rivermonsters87
quote:I would like to know how much of this $1.5t is from undergrad tuition at private universities. The all-in bill for four years can surpass $200-250k effortlessly, which is crazy given so many kids at such schools are - while usually intelligent - in Starbucks majors. That is where the most excessive pillaging by higher education happens. Public school is infinitely better ROI at the undergrad level.
Honestly, the only people who should have student loan debt should be Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers etc., not history, business and arts majors.
This post was edited on 5/22/18 at 3:32 am
Posted on 5/22/18 at 3:29 am to rivermonsters87
My biggest complaint is the costs of books. As long as publishing companies are allowed to give kickbacks to teachers for requiring their book the prices willl keep going up because competition is partly based on the amount of the kickback instead of the quality of the material.
Posted on 5/22/18 at 5:53 am to RemouladeSawce
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I would like to know how much of this $1.5t is from undergrad tuition at private universities
That goes without saying...
LSU Bachelor Degree Total Cost= 30,000
University of Phoenix Bachelor Total Cost= 60k
Posted on 5/22/18 at 6:19 am to rivermonsters87
Start saving early
Leverage grants and scholarships wherever possible (take HS seriously).
Go to school close to home to mitigate some of the boarding costs.
I live in Atlanta. UGA is extremely hard to get into, but if you’re an instate kid, there is a ton of financial assistance.
Leverage grants and scholarships wherever possible (take HS seriously).
Go to school close to home to mitigate some of the boarding costs.
I live in Atlanta. UGA is extremely hard to get into, but if you’re an instate kid, there is a ton of financial assistance.
Posted on 5/22/18 at 6:20 am to rivermonsters87
quote:
Student loan debt
Cheap money & useless degrees
Posted on 5/22/18 at 6:25 am to rivermonsters87
quote:Your premise is reasonable. The stupidity you use to support it is not.
rivermonsters87
quote:Stupid
Most of our Universities care more about their football brand
quote:Stupid
European students are scoring higher on intelligence tests than Americans but graduate with no debt.
quote:Stupid
Universities for-profit and non-profit alike are damaging our future economy based on false assumptions of a better life.
quote:....and there it is.
Yes, I have a degree and currently, working on an M.B.A; however, I found ways to do it without getting into debt i.e. military.
Posted on 5/22/18 at 6:26 am to rivermonsters87
Student loan debt is a good thing. It will hurt in the short term but will eventually allow people to start making better decisions.
That's assuming there's no bailout.
That's assuming there's no bailout.
Posted on 5/22/18 at 6:28 am to rivermonsters87
As it has been pointed out, guaranteed credit for any chucklefrick with a pulse is a surefire way for prices to increase at an incredible rate. Couple guaranteed credit (with no collateral, no less!) with a society that tells you that you are worthless without a college degree and....viola. Skyrocketing tuition in terms of real dollars. You can LITERALLY see the point at which pricing started to become exponential...it just so happens to correlate with the founding of the Department of Education and federal loans.
This post was edited on 5/22/18 at 6:29 am
Posted on 5/22/18 at 6:28 am to rivermonsters87
If schools were really teaching kids to be smart they'd realize going into debt in order to go to college is a bad move.
Posted on 5/22/18 at 6:30 am to Seldom Seen
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going into debt in order to go to college is a bad move.
Not necessarily.
Posted on 5/22/18 at 6:34 am to Mo Jeaux
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Not necessarily.
I meant for most people. For decades only 10% or so of high school grads went to college. Now they're trying to herd everyone there so they can get them all into debt.
Posted on 5/22/18 at 6:38 am to Seldom Seen
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If schools were really teaching kids to be smart they'd realize going into debt in order to go to college is a bad move.
That isn't true at all.
It can be seen as an investment for many careers.
This post was edited on 5/22/18 at 6:39 am
Posted on 5/22/18 at 6:40 am to HempHead
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As it has been pointed out, guaranteed credit for any chucklefrick with a pulse is a surefire way for prices to increase at an incredible rate. Couple guaranteed credit (with no collateral, no less!) with a society that tells you that you are worthless without a college degree and....viola. Skyrocketing tuition in terms of real dollars. You can LITERALLY see the point at which pricing started to become exponential...it just so happens to correlate with the founding of the Department of Education and federal loans.
Undergraduate degrees were once valuable because they were difficult to acquire. We were then told it was unfair that only certain people were able to get them. So now everyone can get them and most are meaningless. Now you have to have a masters. Within the next 10 years masters degrees will be relatively meaningless. The end goal is for everyone to be the same and have the same level of terrible education.
The prospect of massive student loan debt is a good thing in that it will force people to look for alternatives. Prices will not go down until fewer people attend undergraduate schools.
This post was edited on 5/22/18 at 6:41 am
Posted on 5/22/18 at 6:43 am to Pecker
Someone who can figure out how to provide some kind of certification or licensure for young folks that is respected by employers is going to make a boatload of money. As it stands, there are no factors making higher education cheaper or more effective.
I'd like to see some university provide initially free tuition, and take a cut of a student's income for X amount of years and capped at a given number. This would incentivize colleges to actually give a shite about finding jobs for their customers.
I'd like to see some university provide initially free tuition, and take a cut of a student's income for X amount of years and capped at a given number. This would incentivize colleges to actually give a shite about finding jobs for their customers.
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