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re: what is your ideal 401 K balance at retirement?

Posted on 5/1/18 at 8:01 pm to
Posted by HailToTheChiz
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Posted on 5/1/18 at 8:01 pm to
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I'm 31. Shooting for $4mill by 55 in 401k/roth IRA/HSA. Maxing everything.



What is your salary?

Married?

Kids?

Posted by Bayou
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Posted on 5/1/18 at 8:07 pm to
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Take a peak where your income ranks you amongst all those in the world. Stop stressing and relax. You'll live longer!
Posted by jimbeam
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Posted on 5/1/18 at 8:20 pm to
Top 10,000,000
Posted by Cool Hand Luke
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 5/1/18 at 10:53 pm to
Can’t take a lump sum. Also didn’t mention that is my share and my wife’s share of my pension.
Posted by Cool Hand Luke
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:23 am to
Railroad retirement is in lieu of Social security. We do not pay into Social Security.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:45 am to
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What % rate of return are y’all using for the estimated retirement nest egg? 6% or so?


If you want to use the S&P 500 as a benchmark, based on history, plugging in a 7% real return is a safe and realistic figure for long term investors.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 11:51 am to
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What is your salary?
Combined or just mine? I've been with the same company for 6 years. Always gotten a bonus (15% target) and the last 3 years it's been over 20%. That has always been used to help get to us to the max numbers even the year after we flooded.
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Married?
Yes.
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Kids?
Yes. Just 1. 4 yo. He'll be an only child.
This post was edited on 5/2/18 at 12:00 pm
Posted by Bow08tie
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 12:17 pm to
Ideal...whatever the balance is at 59 1/2 years of age -- GONE
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 12:18 pm to
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What % rate of return are y’all using for the estimated retirement nest egg? 6% or so? Hopefully not Dave Ramsey’s 10-12%.


If someone has not returned a average of 10-12% investing in equities over the long term like the last 30 years they did something seriously wrong.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85209 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 12:24 pm to
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If someone has not returned a average of 10-12% investing in equities over the long term like the last 30 years they did something seriously wrong.
I created a spreadsheet that randomizes returns between 0 and 15% with a gradual drop to 0-8% as I anticipate my approach to be less aggressive. Since this is a planning tool meant to run thousands of times to determine the likelihood of hitting a certain number at a certain age, then I don't want the 20-25% years included. I don't want to ever have to count on those.

ETA: and expecting 12% in equities is simply foolish over that long of a period. The S&P is only at 6% average over the last 22 years.
This post was edited on 5/2/18 at 12:33 pm
Posted by meansonny
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:30 pm to
If debts are paid, today's money at $400k to $500k should be more than sufficient. Assume inflation at 4% and retirement about 30 years from now and then we are looking to need around $1.3M to $1.6M.

Assuming current contributions and a 6% market average growth, then I am projecting $2.7M on top of social security and defined benefit pensions.

I do have cash value life insurance intended to assist with the kids college. But I'm trying to encourage them to go into the military academies (and hopefully use that money towards cars and car insurance). I recognize that this could still put a wrench in the retirement plans. But hopefully, the house will be paid for in 10 years and additional resources for college may be available at that time.

I am married, so I'm carrying the retirement for the two of us.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85209 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:34 pm to
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30 years from now
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social security
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I do have cash value life insurance intended to assist with the kids college.
Nope. Life insurance shouldn't be a vehicle for anything else. We use a 529 plan.
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I'm trying to encourage them to go into the military academies
This isn't a retirement strategy, imo.
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I am married, so I'm carrying the retirement for the two of us.
My wife and I each have our own 401ks and roth iras.
Posted by ApexTiger
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Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:39 pm to
buy at least one Mega million ticket per week

Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:44 pm to
I do all of my calculations in terms of today’s dollars and use assumptions of 4-5% for stocks and 1-2% for bonds. I’m shooting for 25-30x expenses. Still young so it’s a moving target, but I should have a good idea of my expected expenses once I’m in my 40s. Looking to scale back career wise in 40s and/or retire in 50s.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 2:38 pm to
Why the hell are you responding to me?
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85209 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 2:40 pm to
You responded to me first.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 2:49 pm to
You should have your distribution have negative values and just change the mean the the historical average.

Assuming you are using a tool like @RISK to run a Monte Carlo, then use something like a triangular distribution. I think you are being overly aggressive never assuming losses in a given year.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85209 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 2:54 pm to
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Assuming you are using a tool like @RISK to run a Monte Carlo
Nope.
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I think you are being overly aggressive never assuming losses in a given year.
It's certainly not perfect. I could do some more work to let it go between -8 and +22 while forcing 60% of the years to be between 4 and 10, but that was a little more work than was I was trying to do on my own just for a tool. I made it about 5 years ago now and haven't really played with the formulas since, just updated my age and starting balances.
Posted by webman
LC
Member since Apr 2006
651 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 6:18 pm to
Hell what I would like and reality aren’t the same. ..,
This post was edited on 5/3/18 at 6:15 am
Posted by FunroePete
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 6:24 pm to
There is no way that's right^
This post was edited on 5/2/18 at 6:25 pm
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