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re: ESPN's Peter Burns Quick thoughts leaving LSU FB Spring Tour for @SIRIUSXM:
Posted on 4/19/18 at 2:24 pm to Dave England
Posted on 4/19/18 at 2:24 pm to Dave England
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He should be, considering he hired individuals based on his comfort level with them rather than their coaching ability.
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Posted on 4/19/18 at 2:24 pm to lsu2006
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the totality of last year doesn't give me any reason to have faith in O,
all good. im more process oriented.
the totality of LSU's basketball team last year wasn't impressive, but if you dissect the process, there are positives scattered about.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 2:25 pm to Lester Earl
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the totality of LSU's basketball team last year wasn't impressive,
Yes it was. Considering the roster he had to work with and where that team was picked to finish, the totality of this basketball season was beyond impressive.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 2:26 pm to Lester Earl
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saw the team improve on the back half of the season last year.
Here's the SEC records of the teams LSU played after the Troy loss.
Florida: 3-5
Auburn: 7-1
Ole Miss: 3-5
Bama: 7-1
Arkansas: 1-7
Tennessee: 0-8
Texas A&M: 4-4
Hell, even Mississippi State only played 500 ball in the conference.
Playing a schedule that poor I would hope like hell we would see improvement.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 2:27 pm to lsu2006
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Considering the roster he had to work with and where that team was picked to finish, the totality of this basketball season was beyond impressive.
oh so now you are interested in looking into details about expectations & personnel?
Posted on 4/19/18 at 2:28 pm to Lester Earl
But can you "dissect the process" of this past football season and show me why I should have faith in O? Was it the constant struggle with his hand-picked OC, the lack of offensive identity, or perhaps was it capping off the season with a lackluster loss to Notre Dame that shows we're headed in the right direction? I'm really trying to understand. It's hard for me to have faith in O and his "vision" when no one, O included, can even articulate what that "vision" is.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 2:29 pm to Lester Earl
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oh so now you are interested in looking into details about expectations & personnel?
Uhh... yeah?
Posted on 4/19/18 at 2:30 pm to earl keese
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Playing a schedule that poor I would hope like hell we would see improvement.
Y'all have become good at downplaying any positive surrounding this program with stupid shite like this.
Everything is a blanket statement until you say something like "LSU basketball underachieved, just look at their record".
Yet for some reason you only want to look at W/L to determine success.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 2:30 pm to Lester Earl
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all good. im more process oriented.
So you're of the belief that firing your OC in year one indicates a sound process being undertaken?
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the totality of LSU's basketball team last year wasn't impressive, but if you dissect the process, there are positives scattered about.
They improved by 8 games. That's an unqualified success.
People just got carried away with expectations after the promise shown in the early season.
This post was edited on 4/19/18 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 4/19/18 at 2:34 pm to Lester Earl
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Everything is a blanket statement until you say something like "LSU basketball underachieved, just look at their record".
Yet for some reason you only want to look at W/L to determine success.
What on earth are you even talking about?
Posted on 4/19/18 at 2:35 pm to Lester Earl
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Yet for some reason you only want to look at W/L to determine success.
It's not just the W/L, it's the nature of the wins and losses that's got people's attention as well. Of course, you already knew that.
Carry on.
This post was edited on 4/19/18 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 4/19/18 at 2:36 pm to lsu2006
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Uhh... yeah?
Ok, so if you apply that thinking to the basketball team, how come Nega-O's dismiss the fact that LSU played a ton of young players last year, on top of their best players being hurt, which directly led to some hiccups along the way.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 2:38 pm to Goldrush25
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So you're of the belief that firing your OC in year one indicates a sound process being undertaken?
this is not a big deal what so ever. Are you paying him? Do you not want the right guy in there?
Posted on 4/19/18 at 2:39 pm to Lester Earl
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Y'all have become good at downplaying any positive surrounding this program with stupid shite like this.
Well I've watched all you folks that did the exact same thing to Miles and his staff and teams over the years so I guess I had some pretty good teachers.
But if you want to talk about positives concerning last years team, they had a really nice comeback win over Auburn.
That's all I've got.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 2:42 pm to Lester Earl
I thought we were talking about process here. It's very unusual for an OC to be fired in year one of a HC's regime.
This is part of the reason why past behavior matters, because it's the second time Orgeron's fired his OC in year one. For it to happen once is very unusual. For it to happen twice indicates some fundamental failure in his process that he's yet to address. Past behavior repeated indicates a pattern.
Why wasn't the right guy in there in the first place, both times? Being a process oriented guy, you don't find that alarming? Does that not call his process into question?
That's really interesting that you don't see anything wrong with it though.
This is part of the reason why past behavior matters, because it's the second time Orgeron's fired his OC in year one. For it to happen once is very unusual. For it to happen twice indicates some fundamental failure in his process that he's yet to address. Past behavior repeated indicates a pattern.
Why wasn't the right guy in there in the first place, both times? Being a process oriented guy, you don't find that alarming? Does that not call his process into question?
That's really interesting that you don't see anything wrong with it though.
This post was edited on 4/19/18 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 4/19/18 at 2:43 pm to Lester Earl
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how come Nega-O's dismiss the fact that LSU played a ton of young players last year, on top of their best players being hurt, which directly led to some hiccups along the way.
Because nothing excuses getting arse-raped by State and losing to Troy in football considering the talent we bring in and have brought in to our football program. Young or not. Trying to compare post-Jones LSU basketball's position to post-Les LSU football's position is breathtakingly idiotic.
That isn't even touching on the massive leap LSU is taking in basketball recruiting as compared with the step back in football recruiting we saw this cycle.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 2:45 pm to lsu2006
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Because nothing excuses
yap, there it is.
Exactly my point. Never change.
Yet it if look at our 18-15 basketball record and say the year was a disappointment, you'd get looked at sideways. Try applying some logic towards the football program, too.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 2:47 pm to Lester Earl
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Yet it if look at our 18-15 basketball record and say the year was a disappointment, you'd get looked at sideways.
Rightfully so. I'd LOVE for you to lay out exactly how this past basketball season was a disappointment considering the position of the program entering the season, roster we had to work with, strength of the SEC, etc.
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Try applying some logic towards the football program, too.
That's precisely what I'm doing. Have fun with your little long-play troll, I guess. Seems fun.
This post was edited on 4/19/18 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 4/19/18 at 2:49 pm to earl keese
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Well I've watched all you folks that did the exact same thing to Miles and his staff and teams over the years so I guess I had some pretty good teachers.
It's quite different when you start to accumulate sample size and the same things happen over and over.
If we have another recruiting class around 15th, lets start talking about problems.
If we arent competitive in games we should be next year, lets talk.
If O botches gameday decisions over and over like Miles did, lets talk.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 2:51 pm to Lester Earl
But O has done those things throughout his entire career.
He’s never had a top 10 recruiting class. He botched decisions. He has no idea what he wants on offenses
All his moves here have been consistent with his moves at Ole Miss. he only difference is Les left him much better players and Dave Aranda to be his DC instead of Ed Orgeron doingnit for himself.
He’s never had a top 10 recruiting class. He botched decisions. He has no idea what he wants on offenses
All his moves here have been consistent with his moves at Ole Miss. he only difference is Les left him much better players and Dave Aranda to be his DC instead of Ed Orgeron doingnit for himself.
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