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re: Tennessee lawmakers punish Memphis for removing Confederate statues
Posted on 4/18/18 at 4:23 pm to Wayne Campbell
Posted on 4/18/18 at 4:23 pm to Wayne Campbell
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Remembering and memorializing are not the same thing. May people don't need to be memorialized and idolized.
History can be remembered with out being memorialized and venerated.
Had they been discussing putting up a statue of Forrest in a park today, I could see your point. But that statute had been there for over 100 years.
Today... it's a statue that was put up long ago. It's... history.
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Posted on 4/18/18 at 4:25 pm to Wayne Campbell
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Remembering and memorializing are not the same thing. May people don't need to be memorialized and idolized.
By this logic the Andrew Jackson statue in Jackson Square needs to come down.
He was responsible for the genocide of thousands of Native Americans.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 4:54 pm to SSpaniel
Brian Kelsey is gay.
You know that, right?
You know that, right?
Posted on 4/18/18 at 4:58 pm to AlonsoWDC
Tell me, Alonso! Tell me!
Posted on 4/18/18 at 5:13 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Can I ask a question? Why are some of you so attached to these statues? Statues of civil rights leaders have never done anything for me honestly. I just want to understand why do they mean so much to so many people
Forrest was a lot of things, but he wasn't a racist.
He was given a few awards post war by the black community. He distanced himself from the klan almost immediately.
Why should he be honored? He was a giant of a man. The cause he chose to support was wrong, but he supported it loyally and with greatness. He's one of the finest military minds in our country's history.
Grant was a blood thirsty dog. Lee was a brilliant doddering old fool. But Forrest was a genius.
I would have left his statue and the statue of Lee in New Orleans. Both earned their place in history. Even if they were wrong.
Lincoln was infinitely more racist and bloodthirsty than either of them... But winners write history.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 5:31 pm to X123F45
It's stupidity like this right there ^^^^^ that always reminds me how so many Louisianians and Southerners are just hopelessly lost in cognitive dissonance. Y'all believe selective pieces of history that confirm your biases and ignore the vast wealth of information and perspectives that directly counter your long held prejudices.
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 4/18/18 at 5:45 pm to Packer
quote:I'm sure if there was a German version of TD, there would be some posters over there claiming there should be statues of Hitler. You know, for History purposes.
Not at all, but we shouldn't be memorializing these people with statues.
By your logic Hitler should have a statue.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 5:53 pm to Sayre
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It's stupidity like this right there ^^^^^ that always reminds me how so many Louisianians and Southerners are just hopelessly lost in cognitive dissonance. Y'all believe selective pieces of history that confirm your biases and ignore the vast wealth of information and perspectives that directly counter your long held prejudices.
Honestly, besides the good-hearted abolitionist. Frick all white people ever in the 1800s. That may be racist to say, but I don't care. I'm sure there were a lot of great people who did some pretty cool things. That's fine and all. As for me, if I lived during that time I would be a slave my entire life no matter, and there would dang near be nothing I could ever do about it. Because of that reason right there, I will never support the confederate flag, or any statue memorializing people from that time period. If you would like to do so, go right ahead. I will not stop you. But I do not and I refuse to honor people from that time period.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 5:54 pm to Sayre
One of my wasted 3 years in college earned me a degree in history. But, believe what you will. I have no obligation to convince or desire to sway you.
My response was the the educated fellow from Alabama who asked for my perspective.
Seeing as how you did feel the need to insult my knowledge, I feel some desire to inform you there is no measure of intelligence where you will not be found lacking.
In short, suck a cock. And good day to you.
My response was the the educated fellow from Alabama who asked for my perspective.
Seeing as how you did feel the need to insult my knowledge, I feel some desire to inform you there is no measure of intelligence where you will not be found lacking.
In short, suck a cock. And good day to you.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 6:07 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
I will tell you that you don't know jack squat about history of Political parties in the U.S. if you don't know why that meme makes you look as dumb as you obviously are. Because the Republicans were Liberal and the Democrats were Conservative and it all flip flopped. There were things that influenced this going back to the Civil War but the real clincher was during the civil rights era Democrat JFK felt that the racist leanings of the conservative Democrat party were outdated and he decided the country needed to become more inclusive with the African American community. So the racist southern democrats started bolting and initially became known as the Dixiecrats Once Democrat LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act into law the Republican Party started recruiting all the southern racists and evangelicals in with their Wall St base and gradually became the party it is today.
Think about Lincolns policys...do the pass the smell test of Republicans today? No! Think about Jefferson Davis...did his policies align with that of the Democrat party today? No! Since that may be a strugle I will give you a more recent option...do you know who Strom Thurmond was? They do not get any more conservative in recent American history. He was a Democratic Governor for SC in the 1940's, ran for president as a Democrat and served the first half of nearly 50 years in the senate as a Democrat. He switched to the Republican party in the 1960's because the Democrats supported the Civil Rights Act. And if you actually read this to inform yourself I will be very surprised.
Think about Lincolns policys...do the pass the smell test of Republicans today? No! Think about Jefferson Davis...did his policies align with that of the Democrat party today? No! Since that may be a strugle I will give you a more recent option...do you know who Strom Thurmond was? They do not get any more conservative in recent American history. He was a Democratic Governor for SC in the 1940's, ran for president as a Democrat and served the first half of nearly 50 years in the senate as a Democrat. He switched to the Republican party in the 1960's because the Democrats supported the Civil Rights Act. And if you actually read this to inform yourself I will be very surprised.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 6:27 pm to NYNolaguy1
If you read up on any of the sourced information I have provided you just might gain the knowledge that the Civil War was not simply as black & white as North vs. South. There was a lot of grey area with the participation of certain states, specifically the Border States as well as the western territories that were not yet states like New Mexico, Colorado and Arizona. It wasn't just North and South or Union vs Confederate, it was far more nuanced regardless of what your southern history books tried to tell you.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 7:25 pm to LeauxCountryTigah
You're right. It was also a lot more nuanced than "North good - South bad".
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:02 pm to dat yat
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The City Council voted unanimously Wednesday to sell the two parks where the statues were located for $1,000 each and crews began working right away at Health Sciences Park to remove the Forrest statue. People cheered as the statue was lifted off its marble base and placed on a flatbed truck.
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They estimated the value of the land was worth over $1 million. I really don’t have issue with the statues being removed.. I’m more concerned that they sold it for $2000. If you were going to sell it at least get something for it.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:29 pm to Old Money
Being called a racist really is a joke nowadays. It used to really mean something before the good ole left decided to use it for anything and everything they disagree with. Now it means nothing and very few people take the term seriously.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:33 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Nathan Bedford Forrest.
Has no reason to have a statue be displayed in a government park.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:36 pm to Old Money
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Being called racist is such a joke
It was used so much by so many at all levels of society that it is now a joke, and people who use it immediately discredit themselves. WHICH is a true tragedy, bc the victims of real racism are painted with the brush of the the jokers.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:08 pm to Lima Whiskey
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In Virginia it’s all these transplants coming in and telling us that we must disown our ancestors.
I’m not inclined.
Sounds like Nashville these days...
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:19 pm to X123F45
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Forrest was a lot of things, but he wasn't a racist.
The grand wizard of the k k k wasn't a racist? What were his reasons for joining and leading the k k k then?
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:21 pm to X123F45
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3 years in college earned me a degree in history
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my knowledge
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Rando
History as you were taught is history according to... Not 100% fact
Posted on 4/19/18 at 8:33 am to LeauxCountryTigah
I love this board.
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