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re: I wanted boards opinion on execution of an offense

Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:15 am to
Posted by p&g
Dixie
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Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:15 am to
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The Egg


Why do players get benched?
Posted by des4271
Member since Oct 2014
4034 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:16 am to
Coaches to call right play and put players in advantageous situation, players to execute the play called.
Posted by TigerFan4040
Member since Sep 2013
4386 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:16 am to
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Coaches


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Smart, innovative coaches can set any athletes up for success with a great game plan / scheme.
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:17 am to
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Coaches or players ?

Who's burden fall on more?
I'm saying the playeRs are ultimately responsible


It’s both.


Yes ultimately the players have to execute the plays and once the play is called, the coaches have no control over what happens.

But... if the Players perfectly execute a bad schem/plan, it is still a bad scheme/plan and will likely result in a loss.




But I get it.... blame the players for Ed’s failure.


Edit: if team a is less talented than team b, a good coach can scheme around the talent deficit and find a way to win. Yes the players have to execute but good coaching can many times overcome less talent.

And bad coaching can help a team lose to less talent teams...cough....Troy...cough
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 10:28 am
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
79348 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:17 am to
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Why do players get benched?
because they are not doing their job?

and why do coaches get fired? because they are not doing their job?

so what are we arguing here?
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:17 am to
It depends on the coach's track record.

If a coach has a long history of prolific offenses then I put it on the players. The thing is, that coach will usually find the players the fit his system, so he doesn't usually have issues with execution.

If a OC has spotty, isolated successes, then I'd say it's the coach that doesn't know how to get the best out of his offenses unless he has exceptional talent.

It's not an accident that some coaches have prolific offenses regardless of the strength of their recruiting classes.
Posted by oldtimefootball
Winnfield La
Member since Feb 2013
436 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:32 am to
Both

COACHES to create an offense that the players they have can execute. Can't fit a square peg in a round hole. Utilize the players that can get the job done and don't play favorites. Recruit players to fit their offense i.e. don't recruit a spread QB to run a pro-style offense, don't recruit a guard to play tackle. Coaches don't have to be "liked" but they will be respected if they know what they are doing.

PLAYERS to prepare themselves physically and mentally to do their part in the offense to the best of their ability. Do the physical work required in the weight room and on the practice field. Do the mental work required in the film room and in meetings with position coaches. Go all out in practice and in games - no slacking off.

It's rare when all these things come together but when they do - CHAMPIONSHIP.
Posted by des4271
Member since Oct 2014
4034 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:37 am to
I agree with your statement to an extent but last year and the year before we had opportunities to hit big plays against Alabama and didn't execute the plays,hence, Danny Etling missing chark for touchdowns had he thrown the balls properly and would have changed the whole complexion/ perception and possibly outcome of the game. The year before against Bama fournette missed two plays that were blocked well and had cutback lane for touchdowns. Guice, two years ago against Florida fumbles on 2 yard line and then runs the wrong way on the 1 yard line costing us td and win, these are all examples of lack of player execution that changes the outcome/complexion/perception/dynamics of the game. On the flip side, the loss to Troy is definitely a coach problem and the loss to Mississippi State when they are not as talented as you is definitely a coach problem and lack of proper preparation, so it falls on both coaches and players.
Posted by Lonnie4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
9525 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:38 am to
“Coaches or players”

Who calls the plays? Who decides which players are in the game? Who decides what O or D to run?

I would suggest we place the burden on the fellows cashing the big checks as we always have before.
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
Champs 03 07 09 11(fack) 19!!!
Member since Mar 2007
21789 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:44 am to
quote:

Coaches or players ?

Who's burden fall on more?
I'm saying the playeRs are ultimately responsible.




Someone please go through this clown’s post history and find all of the Miles bashing for offensive woes. TIA
Posted by studentsect
Member since Jan 2004
2271 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:47 am to
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Why do players get benched?



Because the Coach makes a decision that the team's chances of winning are better with a replacement for said player instead of said player.

If this were a game and all players had identical attributes (75 Speed, 80 Power, etc.) then the coaches decision regarding what player to play, or really anything at all, would not matter.

If the coach is playing a player that is less effective than another player on the same team, that is a COACHING mistake, since personnel moves are coaching decisions. If the coach is playing the most effective player and the offense still does not work because the player and his backups are not of a high enough caliber, that is a COACHING mistake due to poor recruiting.

Coaches have full control over the roster, the lineup, and the scheme. If you have shitty players, that is on the coach. If you have better players but are playing shitty ones, that is on the coach. If you have players that would be ok in a different scheme but are shitty in this one, that is on the coach.

What exactly do you think the purpose of a coach is?
Posted by p&g
Dixie
Member since Jun 2005
12995 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 11:04 am to


Jalen hurts started 2 years.
Other kid was in hs last time he took a meaningful snap.

Hurts was benched bc he couldn't didn't execute
Posted by justice
Member since Feb 2006
54652 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 11:10 am to
What if the coach doesn't know what system he's running and sets his players up for failure??
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46652 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 11:16 am to
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One of my best friends is a hs football coach and he's told me numerous times in conversation his job is to coach and prepare his guys best of his ability, when lights comeback on and they're between lines it's players time to shine.




using this logic no coach is ever at fault for anything in a football game.

the coaches arent out there missing blocks and getting plays blown up.
hell a qb draw can go for a td if the players execute.
Posted by justice
Member since Feb 2006
54652 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 11:18 am to
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using this logic no coach is ever at fault for anything in a football game.
that's the answer he's going for. O can do no wrong in the eyes of pg. it's quite comical. We know he has no friends so he's lying about the friend being a football coach.
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 11:19 am
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46652 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 11:21 am to
we found out the p&g stands for " pout & gargle"

cause thats all he does.

pouts about other people's posts
and
gargle O's nuts
Posted by justice
Member since Feb 2006
54652 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 11:22 am to
quote:

pout & gargle"
Posted by chinhoyang
Member since Jun 2011
23803 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 11:26 am to
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IMO everything that happens on the field, court, ice or whatever is ultimately the coach's responsibility.
According to Ree, Pee and Gee, LLC, everything good is Orgeron's fault and everything bad is due to too many freshmen, no talent, only 35% of the offense installed, and Les Miles.
Posted by p&g
Dixie
Member since Jun 2005
12995 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 11:45 am to
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What if the coach doesn't know what system he's running and sets his players up for failu


Then you have problems.

However this isn't chicot county little league football.
It's LSU and the sec with coaches getting paid more in a year than you'll ever make in your lifetime.

Look I understand if I say it's left your automatically gonna say it's right. But do yourself a favor and the board a favor and try not to be so arrogant.
It's makes you look like a fool.
Posted by Stud Bud
MS But travel all over the country
Member since Sep 2015
6958 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 11:47 am to
Yep.

Good coaches coach guys up.

If your team is consistently looking like garbage against the better teams with comparable talent, it's not the players. Because the players come and go and the same side of the ball looks like dung. It's your scheme.

O made his hire. The Offense better look worlds better next year against the crappy rent a wins and better look good against Bama/AU/UGA/Miami. Even the MSU front 7 is going to force LSU to throw. And we're gonna see if our staff can prepare a gameplan to rise to the occasion.

Next season is all on O. Spin the web however you want.
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