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Posted on 4/11/18 at 11:40 pm to 8thyearsenior
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If someone on food stamps wants to get high I don't care.
Is someone who is on food stamps and gets high regularly less likely to get off food stamps? Then you sure as hell ought to care.
Posted on 4/11/18 at 11:42 pm to texag7
It's been proven this costs more than it saves
Posted on 4/11/18 at 11:57 pm to texag7
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Florida passed a SNAP drug-testing law in 2011, but a federal appeals court struck it down in 2014, arguing that the requirement was a form of unreasonable search.
How the hell can a federal court deem this to be illegal but drug testing people for a job is perfectly fine? I guess they just want people to be dependent on the government.
We need to stop the abuse of SNAP and other welfare benefits, but drug testing recipients is not the solution. We should focus on people selling benefits and getting them fraudulently. Especially if it costs so much with such a little return as others have stated.
Posted on 4/12/18 at 12:06 am to mmmmmbeeer
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Outside of my 4 years in the military, I've never been drug tested for a job and I'm 41yo. Are they really that common?
You must be a rarity. Outside of food service and small businesses, it is pretty much a guarantee you will have to pass a drug test nowadays. It is absurdly common even for jobs that a monkey could do stoned off his arse.
Posted on 4/12/18 at 3:42 am to Pecker
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This sounds good in theory but I think the tests end up being really expensive and rarely catch drug users because the prospective recipients know they have to be clean for the tests.
a few states have learned the hard way already....
Posted on 4/12/18 at 4:35 am to Barneyrb
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phones
stupid idea - but should be limited to the flip-type with nothing but phone/text capability - no image at all.
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internet access
map to public library
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food
subject to dire need and demonstrated attempts to find work and healthy habits. severely limited for obese people.
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lodging, utilities
dependent on demonstrated history of good maintenance, work, and healthy conditions, including any educational success of any children.
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health care
dependent on demonstrated life style standards.
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tattoos, jewelry, cigarettes, 32" rims, and a host of other things that are considered "luxury" items
should result in severe deductions in benefits.
eta
getting free stuff from the govt should be a pain in the arse - should have to get in line and no paying customer should ever have to wait on them. Free stuff should be limited to essential items only - and the cheapest and most generic available. dry beans, rice, powdered milk, canned vegetables and meat, fresh basic fruit - no cookies, candy, soda, premium items of any kind.
maybe a 'government assistance' section in stores from which recipients can trade in their cards for items - none of which are returnable for cash of any kind.
This post was edited on 4/12/18 at 4:41 am
Posted on 4/12/18 at 4:43 am to slackster
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What happens if a person with children fails a test? No benefits for he/she nor her kids?
kids go to foster care - offender out of luck. - piss on them.
Posted on 4/12/18 at 4:46 am to ChineseBandit58
So failing a test for pot puts your kids in a foster home? Not disagreeing just trying to understand your pov
Posted on 4/12/18 at 4:47 am to ChineseBandit58
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getting free stuff from the govt should be a pain in the arse - should have to get in line and no paying customer should ever have to wait on them. Free stuff should be limited to essential items only - and the cheapest and most generic available. dry beans, rice, powdered milk, canned vegetables and meat, fresh basic fruit - no cookies, candy, soda, premium items of any kind.
as far as food stamps and stuff, i absolutely agree... maybe even have depots that are exclusively for food stamps... if not, then have food stamp approved sections in grocery stores, so they know EXACTLY what's on the list and what's not...
bring back some of the shame and humiliation that comes with government assistance for certain things... "scarlet A" sorta thing
Posted on 4/12/18 at 4:49 am to ChineseBandit58
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What happens if a person with children fails a test? No benefits for he/she nor her kids?
kids go to foster care - offender out of luck. - piss on them.
bridge too far...
Posted on 4/12/18 at 4:49 am to mwade91383
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No matter how fricked up their parents are, even if they’re the biggest deadbeats on the planet, innocent kids shouldn’t have to starve. It’s not their fault their parents are leeches.
foster care - shitty parents are the root cause of all the problems in the world.
Shitty parents should never be rewarded - especially if the motivation is
'do it for the kids!!!!"
What the kids need is non-shitty parents, not doped up, fat, lazy, shitty 'parents.'
the number one requirement for ANY govt benefit is DEMONSTRATED accomplishment of NOT being a shitty parent..
Posted on 4/12/18 at 4:51 am to ChineseBandit58
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What the kids need is non-shitty parents, not doped up, fat, lazy, shitty 'parents.'
Foster homes really aren’t that much better TBH
Posted on 4/12/18 at 4:52 am to umop_apisdn
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It's not about cost to the tax payer. It's about getting leaches off the government teat and helping them better themselves with a job.
/\ absolutely THIS /\
this is not the place to save a few bucks. (even if the cost is as bad as being alleged - which I seriously doubt.)
Posted on 4/12/18 at 4:53 am to chRxis
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bring back some of the shame and humiliation that comes with government assistance for certain things...
because i think it would/could be a motivating factor, to make SOME want to not be associated with government assistance anymore... you'll never motivate ALL recipients, but a large portion of them would be motivated to do for themselves, rather than just rely on the government, as is the narrative....
but there are many other factors that would also have to be in play, so really all of it is banter and idle talk, until we get serious about where we are heading a society and nation...
Posted on 4/12/18 at 5:00 am to olddawg26
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So failing a test for pot puts your kids in a foster home? Not disagreeing just trying to understand your pov
saying that if you are on welfare and spend you excess $$ on pot, you should not be raising children.
of course there are exceptions to any simply stated rule.
the counter to your question would be - 'so you think a doped up adult without the means to buy their own food should be in charge of the next generation of citizens?"
DO IT FOR THE KIDS!!!!! < my P.O.V.
shitty parents are the number ONE cause of all the problems in the world. We should take great pains - and expense - to get kids away from shitty parents.
Posted on 4/12/18 at 5:04 am to ChineseBandit58
I agree with you. Was playing devils advocate in saying maybe they just hit a joint someone offered and now they’re liable for 25 days with thc in their system. But if you love your children enough to do whatever it takes to feed them, staying completely off drugs to get the help you need should be a priority.
Posted on 4/12/18 at 5:05 am to ChineseBandit58
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shitty parents are the number ONE cause of all the problems in the world.
the problem with your premise is "shitty" is non-qualitative and subjective... your line of demarcation may be lower than mine, which may be lower than someone else's....
basically, get this thread back on point about the topic at hand, talking about testing and food stamps
Posted on 4/12/18 at 5:05 am to chRxis
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bring back some of the shame and humiliation that comes with government assistance
Yep = been saying that for decades now.
Public shame for being unable to care for yourself is one of the missing ingredients in today's fukced up society.
Hell, people even openly discuss the ways to scam 'the system' - there was a time people would go hungry and work 2 or 3 jobs before they would even consider getting the 'govt cheese.' It was not something one wanted, and worked their asses off to get away from.
But we were such troglodytes 'back then.' = we only sent men to the moon, invented the internet and did the ground work for the tech advances we enjoy today.
Posted on 4/12/18 at 5:07 am to ChineseBandit58
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we only sent men to the moon, invented the internet and did the ground work for the tech advances we enjoy today.
wanna do the negatives of that generation now? let's not act like it was all peaches and cream... boomers have a very grandiose view of their standing in the history of America, and they really shouldn't....
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