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Going forward, how can there be effective criminal representation......
Posted on 4/11/18 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 4/11/18 at 5:03 pm
....if investigating entities can raid the offices of attorneys and seize pertinent information that they can then use as investigative material or even worse, prosecutorial evidence?
Not enough talk is going on about how crazy serious this is.
Not enough talk is going on about how crazy serious this is.
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Posted on 4/11/18 at 5:08 pm to Scoop
I talked to my attorney today. Any tax questions I have will now be by telephone. To prevent my inquired from potentially being twisted into a pattern of trying to defraud the IRS.
My attorney is pretty smart though. Based on what I read on here, that not always true of attorneys.
The precedent yesterday should have the ACLU and attorneys up in arms.
We have attorneys on this board. I think maybe 2-3 of them expressed concerns. Hats off to them.
Never, and I mean never hire attorneys that support this.
My attorney is pretty smart though. Based on what I read on here, that not always true of attorneys.
The precedent yesterday should have the ACLU and attorneys up in arms.
We have attorneys on this board. I think maybe 2-3 of them expressed concerns. Hats off to them.
Never, and I mean never hire attorneys that support this.
Posted on 4/11/18 at 5:09 pm to Iowa Golfer
quote:FWIW, that will not help you.
Any tax questions I have will now be by telephone.
Posted on 4/11/18 at 5:10 pm to NC_Tigah
Why?
Posted on 4/11/18 at 5:11 pm to Scoop
Posted on 4/11/18 at 5:14 pm to Iowa Golfer
quote:Documentation for billing. Just like "being there."
Why?
Posted on 4/11/18 at 5:15 pm to Iowa Golfer
There is no way our system can function if someone facing criminal or civil liability cannot be open with their representation and that information be documented in some manner, if only to be accessed by other people in the attorney’s office that have to service the case.
This raid basically makes it dangerous to do anything other than talk to your lawyer face to face in the middle of a field with your phones left back in the car.
I don’t get why people don’t find this chilling.
This raid basically makes it dangerous to do anything other than talk to your lawyer face to face in the middle of a field with your phones left back in the car.
I don’t get why people don’t find this chilling.
This post was edited on 4/11/18 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 4/11/18 at 5:18 pm to Scoop
To be fair....IF your attorney is involved in "bad shite" and his records are seized....a special magistrate will likely review the docs and your communications will not be able to be used against you (unless you are both conspiring criminally).
So, I do not believe you need fear being candid with your own attorney.
So, I do not believe you need fear being candid with your own attorney.
Posted on 4/11/18 at 5:19 pm to Scoop
quote:
This raid basically makes it dangerous to do anything other than talk to your lawyer face to face in the middle of a field with your phones left back in the car.
I have some bad news for you:
Posted on 4/11/18 at 5:20 pm to NC_Tigah
You're missing my point. I don't care if anyone knows I was there. What I'm trying to prevent is having a series of emails regarding tax strategy being seized, and twisted into myself having a pattern of attempt to defraud. As an example.
We have a precedent set where we can kick in a door, based off of an affidavit and warrant, gather up, and go through unrelated privileged communication, promise to not use these privileged communications.
Which no prudent person believes.
We have a precedent set where we can kick in a door, based off of an affidavit and warrant, gather up, and go through unrelated privileged communication, promise to not use these privileged communications.
Which no prudent person believes.
Posted on 4/11/18 at 5:21 pm to Scoop
quote:
Not enough talk is going on about how crazy serious this is.
Just another piece in the Communists fundamental transformation of the United States of America puzzle.
Posted on 4/11/18 at 5:22 pm to Scoop
quote:
Not enough talk is going on about how crazy serious this is.
All’s fair during a witch hunt apparently
Posted on 4/11/18 at 5:23 pm to Iowa Golfer
quote:
We have attorneys on this board
Posted on 4/11/18 at 5:26 pm to Iowa Golfer
quote:Not the point.
I don't care if anyone knows I was there.
quote:For billing purposes, there is normally as much documentation of phone conversation details/content as there is in case of face-to-face meetings.
You're missing my point.
At least that's my experience.
Posted on 4/11/18 at 5:30 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
To be fair.....for this warrant to have passed muster, one of two things would have had to happen:
1: The FBI would have had to have shown that they had exhausted all other means by which to obtain what they wanted and the only option left on the table was taking them physically.
(Think Rose Law Firm billing records that were under subpoena and hidden by Hillary in the White House residential quarters.)
I think we would have heard had his attorney’s records been subpoenaed.
2: Information was obtained that there was an immediate plan to destroy documents that would occur if not for a raid. This would indicate that Trump and his attorney are under active surveillance. Anyway, if there is no subpoena for documents, the FBI has no say in whether they should be destroyed even if that was the case.
You can’t put lipstick on this pig.
1: The FBI would have had to have shown that they had exhausted all other means by which to obtain what they wanted and the only option left on the table was taking them physically.
(Think Rose Law Firm billing records that were under subpoena and hidden by Hillary in the White House residential quarters.)
I think we would have heard had his attorney’s records been subpoenaed.
2: Information was obtained that there was an immediate plan to destroy documents that would occur if not for a raid. This would indicate that Trump and his attorney are under active surveillance. Anyway, if there is no subpoena for documents, the FBI has no say in whether they should be destroyed even if that was the case.
You can’t put lipstick on this pig.
This post was edited on 4/11/18 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 4/11/18 at 5:30 pm to NC_Tigah
Well, so they bill, and document I asked a tax question.
It's not detailed in an email. As an example, an email asking can I depreciate intellectual property twice if it is used by two separate entities both owned by myself? And if I have a bunch of detailed emails like these. And then they come in and say he has shown a pattern of attempting to do illegal things, even though I'm just asking questions.
I also consult a lot about how to fire people. I could see that being twisted into a pattern of discrimination.
Ad infinitium..
Paranoid? Or prudent in light of recent event? I'm choosing option #2.
It's not detailed in an email. As an example, an email asking can I depreciate intellectual property twice if it is used by two separate entities both owned by myself? And if I have a bunch of detailed emails like these. And then they come in and say he has shown a pattern of attempting to do illegal things, even though I'm just asking questions.
I also consult a lot about how to fire people. I could see that being twisted into a pattern of discrimination.
Ad infinitium..
Paranoid? Or prudent in light of recent event? I'm choosing option #2.
Posted on 4/11/18 at 5:31 pm to Scoop
But if the police didn't raid your criminal defense lawyer's office and gather up all of your interview transcripts with that lawyer, the police would be neglecting to gather all evidence of the crimes that the police know you committed.
Have you thought of that?
Have you thought of that?
Posted on 4/11/18 at 5:32 pm to Scoop
I posted in the original thread it is frickery and I loathe these asshats for it.
I simply do not think we need fear speaking candidly with our attorneys. I’m not that far down the tinfoil lined rabbit hole.
I simply do not think we need fear speaking candidly with our attorneys. I’m not that far down the tinfoil lined rabbit hole.
Posted on 4/11/18 at 5:33 pm to Scoop
quote:
I don’t get why people don’t find this chilling.
Is anybody surprised by the fact that the ACLU has already made a statement of approval for the FBI's seizure of Cohen's materials related to representing Trump?
I'm not!
Posted on 4/11/18 at 5:33 pm to Scoop
I would explore having all my client's sensitive files digitized and encrypted.
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