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re: Have you heard of the "Cloud Act"... because it was signed today
Posted on 3/23/18 at 7:57 pm to NYNolaguy1
Posted on 3/23/18 at 7:57 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Its sad that its just as likely a D did it as an R.
A controversial global data bill slipped into a spending bill (which the Cloud Act bill has nothing to do with) by the Democrats in a Republican-dominated Congress? It moves through the Republican-controlled House, through the Republican-controlled Senate, and Republican Trump quickly signs off on it, but it was obviously a devious machination of some Democrat?
How does that possibly work?
Posted on 3/23/18 at 8:00 pm to cr32pll29
Oh I can assure you as piss poor pathetic some of these Repugnicans are the Democrats are worse. Yes the Repugs should not have gone along with a lot of this Dem shite but were it not for the Dem shite we would have seen a lot better bill. Wanna let the Dems have the whole thing? I sure as Hell don't.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 8:03 pm to LSURussian
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What happened to "this is my last post"?
This. Foh Bengal
Posted on 3/23/18 at 8:03 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Why? Trump is signing legislation passed by a Republican Congress.
That is simplistic
Posted on 3/23/18 at 8:05 pm to CptBengal
So you're saying Trump screwed up?
Posted on 3/23/18 at 8:12 pm to CptBengal
quote:Unfortunately the 167 in the house couldn't stop it, nor the 32 in the senate. Each one if them is only 1 of 435 or 1 of 100 in their chamber.
Have you heard of the "Cloud Act"... because it was signed today
But there was one person, your God emperor 100% of the decision making power to either make its passage a certainty or give those other Patriots a great chance of stopping it, and any chance is better than absolute 0.
Well your God emperor chose to allow it.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 8:12 pm to BackWoodsTiger
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said in February that the bill balances user privacy with the need for an updated framework for giving law enforcement the information it needs
such a typical politician nothing answer.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 8:13 pm to reo45
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Yes, frick this indeed.
Read up on it last night into the wee hours.
Your privacy online is gone now. No due process.
False
SEC. 725. (a) PROHIBITION OF FEDERAL AGENCY MONITORING OF INDIVIDUALS’ INTERNET USE — None of the funds made available in this or any other Act may be used by any Federal agency to collect, review, or create any aggregation of data, derived from any means, that includes any personally identifiable information relating to an individual’s access to or use of any Federal Government Internet site of the agency; or to enter into any agreement with a third party (including another government agency) to collect, review, or obtain any aggregation of data, derived from any means, that includes any personally identifiable information relating to an individual’s access to or use of any NON-governmental Internet site.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 8:29 pm to Crimson1st
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Oh I can assure you as piss poor pathetic some of these Repugnicans are the Democrats are worse. Yes the Repugs should not have gone along with a lot of this Dem shite but were it not for the Dem shite we would have seen a lot better bill. Wanna let the Dems have the whole thing? I sure as Hell don't.
A Republican signed this bullshite into law. But this is the Democrats fault? Jesus Christ.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:08 pm to Toddy
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A Republican signed this bullshite into law. But this is the Democrats fault? Jesus Christ.
Well my bet is you're clueless about Jesus and equally clueless about the point I was making. Let me see if I can dumb it down for you...the Dems have enough votes to make budgets all or nothing so they pack their worthless shite in by political extortion. Capiche? Sorry, too advanced...Do you understand?
Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:44 pm to CptBengal
Depending on the mechanics, this could easily run afoul of the 4th or 9th Amendments (especially as the SCOTUS becomes more originalist). It would suit me just fine to see this go before the Supreme Court and have the Justices shite all over it.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:52 pm to CptBengal
Who asked for it: LINK
Apple, Google, Facebook, Microsoft, and Oath
Sponsor:
Orrin Hatch (R-UT) *isn't this dipshit retiring in a few months?
Cosponsors:
Christopher Coons (D-DE)
Lindsey Graham (R-SC)
Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI)
Bill Cassidy (R-LA)
Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)
Richard Burr (R-NC)
Chuck Grassley (R-IA)
Amy Klobuchar (D-MN)
Jeff Flake ("R"-AZ)
Mark Warner (D-VA)
Letter from the tech companies: LINK
Sounds like a whole lot of double speak.
Article about Cloud Act (from apple insider):
https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/03/23/apple-supported-cloud-act-passes-congress-will-change-how-governments-share-data
Proponents view:
Opponents view:
We have the best tech companies and senators!
Apple, Google, Facebook, Microsoft, and Oath
Sponsor:
Orrin Hatch (R-UT) *isn't this dipshit retiring in a few months?
Cosponsors:
Christopher Coons (D-DE)
Lindsey Graham (R-SC)
Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI)
Bill Cassidy (R-LA)
Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)
Richard Burr (R-NC)
Chuck Grassley (R-IA)
Amy Klobuchar (D-MN)
Jeff Flake ("R"-AZ)
Mark Warner (D-VA)
Letter from the tech companies: LINK
quote:
The new Clarifying Lawful Overseas Use of Data (CLOUD) Act reflects a growing consensus in favor
of protecting Internet users around the world and provides a logical solution for governing cross-border
access to data. Introduction of this bipartisan legislation is an important step toward enhancing and
protecting individual privacy rights, reducing international conflicts of law and keeping us all safer.
If enacted, the CLOUD Act would create a concrete path for the U.S. government to enter into modern
bilateral agreements with other nations that better protect customers. Importantly, the legislation
would require baseline privacy, human rights and rule of law standards in order for a country to enter
into an agreement. That will ensure customers and data holders are protected by their own laws and
that those laws are meaningful. The legislation would further allow law enforcement to investigate
cross-border crime and terrorism in a way that avoids international legal conflicts.
The CLOUD Act encourages diplomatic dialogue, but also gives the technology sector two distinct
statutory rights to protect consumers and resolve conflicts of law if they do arise. The legislation
provides mechanisms to notify foreign governments when a legal request implicates their residents, and
to initiate a direct legal challenge when necessary.
Our companies have long advocated for international agreements and global solutions to protect our
customers and Internet users around the world. We have always stressed that dialogue and legislation -
not litigation - is the best approach.
If enacted, the CLOUD Act would be notable progress to protect consumers’ rights and would reduce
conflicts of law. We appreciate your leadership championing an effective legislative solution, and we
support this compromise proposal.
Sounds like a whole lot of double speak.
Article about Cloud Act (from apple insider):
https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/03/23/apple-supported-cloud-act-passes-congress-will-change-how-governments-share-data
Proponents view:
quote:
The bill would give the executive branch, specifically the Department of Justice, new powers to enter into information-sharing agreements with foreign governments. As of now, if a foreign law enforcement entity wishes to obtain data from a U.S.-based tech company, that government must have a specific mutual legal assistance treaty (MLAT) with the U.S., the kind that must be ratified by Congress. The CLOUD Act removes that provision, while also no longer requiring the need for a judge to sign off on such requests. It would allow the DOJ to enter into such agreements without the approval of Congress or the courts.
Opponents view:
quote:
However, some privacy and civil liberties advocates have registered their strong opposition to the measure. The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) has denounced the CLOUD Act as "a new, proposed backdoor to our data, which would bypass our Fourth Amendment protections to communications privacy." The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) calls it "a sinister piece of legislation" that "threatens activists abroad, individuals here in the U.S., and would empower Attorney General Sessions in new disturbing ways." The ACLU also argued that the bill could allow foreign governments to more easily crack down on political opponents, especially marginalized people.
The bill is opposed by a coalition that includes more than 20 groups, including the EFF, ACLU, Amnesty International USA, the People for the American Way, Human Rights Watch and National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. A letter from the coalition also alleges that the bill, for the first time, would "allow foreign governments to obtain the assistance of U.S. companies for obtaining real-time intercepts of their users' communications."
We have the best tech companies and senators!
Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:55 pm to The Baker
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What frick face put that in the bill?
What frick face would sign that bill?
Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:57 pm to ConwayGamecock
never mind
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:58 pm to Toddy
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A Republican signed this bullshite into law. But this is the Democrats fault? Jesus Christ.
It was about as bipartisan as we'll get these days. Neither party has the high ground on this horse shite.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:00 pm to IllegalPete
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This post was edited on 1/10/21 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:09 pm to CptBengal
Congress needs a cleanse like no other. They literally DGAF
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:11 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Perhaps it is time his base stop electing Republicans
And there it is the reason nothing will ever change. Guys like this keep the swamps filled.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:13 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Perhaps it is time his base stop electing Republicans.
I would be on board with you, but as bad as Republicans are - Dems are actually worse. A lot worse.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:28 pm to Ace Midnight
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would be on board with you, but as bad as Republicans are - Dems are actually worse. A lot worse.
Stop buying into the two party system.
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