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re: Men With Paid Paternity Leave
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:36 am to lsunurse
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:36 am to lsunurse
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If a company is offering this to their male employees...there shouldn't be any penalties to their job if they decide to use this benefit.
Legally they can't use that as a means to get rid of you. If, they allegedly fire you for taking a fully offered benefit, lawsuit in waiting, it was more than that and you were on a short leash in the first place.
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:36 am to crankbait
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If you can take that much time off, your very replaceable.
Or your position isn't needed, at all.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:36 am to Jake88
quote:and you're reaching.
I understand it's a benefit. I'm telling you the message it sends if things go smoothly in your absence. You're looking at what's on paper and I'm looking at how that translates in reality.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:36 am to Areddishfish
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Sounds like you are in construction.
I am.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:37 am to NewGrad1212
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If your company gave you 8 weeks in your contract they did it to be competitive. Take that shite!
Companies give things they don't really want you to take. Just like sick days. I have a lot of them but they really don't want you to use all of them.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:38 am to Jake88
quote:Disagree...at least not in every instance
If they can go 8 weeks without you, you're a convenience, not a necessity.
I always hear people thinking they're super important with the go to line of, "If I ever left, this place wouldn't know what to do without me." or some derivative of that line. They say that to act like they're really good at their job, but that's the mark of a really poor leader.
A true leader has his departments trained and cross trained and everyone knowing exactly what to do so that if the leader is gone for 1 day, 1 week or 8 weeks, the department can function without them...but because of them.
So while the departments may function for 8 weeks without a good leader, it doesn't mean that leader isn't a necessity for long term sustained success for that company.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:39 am to 50_Tiger
quote:Taking care of a newborn isn't exactly a "female related situation"
as the guy who left for 8 weeks due to an honestly female related situation.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:39 am to TigerNlc
quote:For having a kid? What a shite company.
We have to use sick days and honestly 2-3 days would be the max without pissing them off.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:39 am to shel311
quote:
Disagree...at least not in every instance
I always hear people thinking they're super important with the go to line of, "If I ever left, this place wouldn't know what to do without me." or some derivative of that line. They say that to act like they're really good at their job, but that's the mark of a really poor leader.
A true leader has his departments trained and cross trained and everyone knowing exactly what to do so that if the leader is gone for 1 day, 1 week or 8 weeks, the department can function without them...but because of them.
So while the departments may function for 8 weeks without a good leader, it doesn't mean that leader isn't a necessity for long term sustained success for that company.
This may be true for a department that does repetitive stuff.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:39 am to castorinho
Not reaching at all. If you don't understand how it looks to people who may need to trim expenses at a time in the future, you're living in fairy land.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:40 am to Jake88
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I understand it's a benefit. I'm telling you the message it sends if things go smoothly in your absence. You're looking at what's on paper and I'm looking at how that translates in reality.
Things couldn't go smoothly because you plan your time away in ADVANCE being that you know in 9 months you will have to leave? IF a company completely crumbles because one person is out for a couple of weeks, that's a pretty weak company structure. Steve Jobs died and Apple is still taking over the tech industry. If they can get along without him, your company would do just fine.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:40 am to shel311
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Taking care of a newborn isn't exactly a "female related situation"
Refer to my comment to lunchy
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:41 am to Clark W Griswold
So we’re getting 8 weeks off and in the other thread talking about men not wanting sex. Are we developing vaginas? For fricks sake.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:42 am to Jake88
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Not reaching at all. If you don't understand how it looks to people who may need to trim expenses at a time in the future, you're living in fairy land.
Exactly.
In my case, we simply don't have enough people with the same skill sets, so we hire contractors to do the plebe work while we do the harder stuff.
In my case specifically LTE-A / 5G shite. They don't grow on trees.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:43 am to Clark W Griswold
i got 12 weeks with my current one i can use over 12months 
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:43 am to Areddishfish
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Steve Jobs died and Apple is still taking over the tech industry. If they can get along without him, your company would do just fine.
Eh horrible analogy. Apple is damn near running in place atm. Living off of reputation and not innovation.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:43 am to Jake88
quote:If the person you report to sees it that way, he's arguably a shitty leader.
I'm telling you the message it sends if things go smoothly in your absence. You're looking at what's on paper and I'm looking at how that translates in reality.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:45 am to shel311
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If the person you report to sees it that way, he's arguably a shitty leader.
What if your CFO gives a headcount of max 5 individuals in your "department."
Now if this is repetitive work, (retail, fast food, line factory) I agree with you.
However, if this is specialty work, I don't.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:47 am to 50_Tiger
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Eh horrible analogy. Apple is damn near running in place atm. Living off of reputation and not innovation.
Who cares if they are innovating, that doesn't apply here. I referred to it as running smoothly despite losing one of the historical giants of the tech industry. Still turning huge profits without him. He had a succession plan in place. My point is still valid.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:48 am to shel311
quote:Maybe, but "shitty" leaders are common and reality and all I was talking about is how this benefit translates in reality.
If the person you report to sees it that way, he's arguably a shitty leader.
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