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Is 'Collusion with Russia' over?

Posted on 2/25/18 at 10:18 am
Posted by WeeWee
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Posted on 2/25/18 at 10:18 am
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Special Counsel Robert Mueller has been a busy fellow for the past week. Rapid fire, his indictment of several Russian nationals for meddling in the 2016 election has been followed by a guilty plea, for lying to investigators, from a lawyer tied to Trump-campaign figures Paul Manafort and Richard Gates; a new indictment against Manafort and Gates that, as anticipated, added tax- and bank-fraud charges (in Virginia) to already existing money-laundering charges (in Washington); and finally, just breaking as this is written, a guilty plea from Gates on charges of defrauding the United States and lying to the FBI.

As President Trump’s champions emphasize, what is most notable about this array of allegations is an omission: Nowhere has the special counsel charged any kind of criminal collusion between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin


No charges of any kind of criminal collusion, but that does not mesh with what the liberals and the media have been telling us for 18 months, and there is no way the liberals and media would lie to us for 18 months; would they?

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To be sure, not only is there no “collusion” allegation in the new indictments; the Trump campaign is barely mentioned. It has no ostensible relevance to the charges against Manafort, Gates, and the lawyer, Alex van der Zwaan. To the limited extent that the campaign is mentioned in the indictment against the Russian nationals, any contacts that campaign officials had with Russians are said to have been unwitting. That fact would seem to cut sharply against the notion of collusion, for had there been a collusive Trump–Russia relationship, there would have been no need for Russian operatives to dupe Trump-campaign officials.

Add to the mix the other charges Mueller has filed against Michael Flynn and George Papadopoulos, who have pled guilty. In neither instance did Mueller allege any kind of criminal conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Putin regime. Both defendants served the campaign, and both had contacts with apparent Putin-regime operatives (the Russian ambassador in Flynn’s case, more-shadowy figures claiming regime ties in Papadopoulos’s). Yet Mueller permitted each defendant to resolve the case by pleading guilty to a single count of making false statements to the FBI — a mere process crime, and one that, by branding them as liars, would undermine their effectiveness as cooperating witnesses if there were any eventual “collusion” case against other campaign figures. Again, this cuts against the idea that Mueller is contemplating a collusion case.
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I have no problem with Mueller going after Manafort and Gates because they are the perfect example of the swamp creatures that need to be kicked out of DC (just like Trump fired them from his campaign), but it would be nice if the media and liberals would be honest with and tell us the truth. The truth is the Mueller's investigation is not about Russian collusion anymore. Now it is about the government and political establishment punishing those who helped Trump pull off the greatest political upset in history and deprived Hillary of her turn.
Posted by wartiger2004
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Posted on 2/25/18 at 10:21 am to
You’ll have to ask the dumocrats if they are finished taking money from them.
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 2/25/18 at 10:21 am to
It was over before it started.
Posted by Bunyan
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Posted on 2/25/18 at 10:22 am to
There was never any "collusion." If Mueller was legit he would have locked up both Podesta bros months ago. This is an unchecked fishing exhibition but will end when IG report is released or Flynn case is dropped
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 2/25/18 at 10:22 am to
Newsflash...

It's highly unlikely any "collusion," even if demonstrated, would be "criminal."
Posted by ninthward
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Member since May 2007
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Posted on 2/25/18 at 10:23 am to
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but it would be nice if the media and liberals would be honest with and tell us the truth
No chance progs really believe they can get rid of Trump and that Mueller(swamp creature himself) is honest.
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
19284 posts
Posted on 2/25/18 at 10:23 am to
I've said it before: Manafort and Gates were key players in McCain's 2008 campaign. That was around the time they were doing all this bidness with Russia. Why is McCain not considered an agent of Putin?
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 2/25/18 at 10:24 am to
It's expanded to 'Has anyone who ever knew Trump done anything bad in their life?'
Posted by Pelican fan99
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 2/25/18 at 10:28 am to
This thing really needs to be shut down already. At least before the midterms but of course it won’t
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 2/25/18 at 10:44 am to
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Is 'Collusion with Russia' over?


Sheesh. That’s so 2017.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
43976 posts
Posted on 2/25/18 at 10:57 am to
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I've said it before: Manafort and Gates were key players in McCain's 2008 campaign. That was around the time they were doing all this bidness with Russia. Why is McCain not considered an agent of Putin?




I don't but it probably has something to do with the fact that he is republican member of the globalist establishment and they protect their own. However, who cares about McCain? He has terminal brain cancer and will not be a problem for much longer.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
43976 posts
Posted on 2/25/18 at 11:02 am to
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This thing really needs to be shut down already. At least before the midterms but of course it won’t



The elites won't allow it to end before 2021 at the earliest.
Posted by Rex
Here, there, and nowhere
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 2/25/18 at 11:30 am to
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Is 'Collusion with Russia' over?

You wish.

Two of Trump's highest aides were told in secret meetings by Russian agents that they had stolen emails from Clinton and the DNC.

If Trump then personally approved of the use of those stolen emails against Clinton, or even if he knew of this without contacting the FBI, well, that not only violates campaign and espionage laws it also constitutes treason.

My surmise is that Mueller is investigating those very questions right now... and that Rick Gates plays heavily into that investigation as a witness.

And it's extremely obvious that Trump is crapping his pants right now. Yesterday the Orange Buffoon ramped up his rhetoric, calling the Mueller investigation "illegal" for the first time. Well, that's a lie and an opinion with which even people like Trey Gowdy don't agree... and it indicates that Trump is laying the groundwork for attempting to fire Mueller and to issue pardons to Manafort, Gates, Flynn, etc. An innocent person would not be so nervous.
Posted by Flavius Belisarius
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 2/25/18 at 11:40 am to
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And it's extremely obvious that Trump is crapping his pants right now. Yesterday the Orange Buffoon ramped up his rhetoric, calling the Mueller investigation "illegal" for the first time. Well, that's a lie and an opinion with which even people like Trey Gowdy don't agree... and it indicates that Trump is laying the groundwork for attempting to fire Mueller and to issue pardons to Manafort, Gates, Flynn, etc. An innocent person would not be so nervous.





It’s over man. Totally over. They’ve looked for a year and found nothing, only process crimes predating the accused’s time with Trump. Trump will rightly refuse to testify, the Flynn matter will be dropped due to prosecutorial misconduct by the DOJ and FBI, and we can all go back to enjoying the next 7 years.
Posted by Rex
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Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 2/25/18 at 11:53 am to
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They’ve looked for a year and found nothing,

Is that what Fox is telling you these days?

Are YOU Robert Mueller? You have no idea what Mueller has found or not.

Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14936 posts
Posted on 2/25/18 at 12:16 pm to
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The truth is the Mueller's investigation is not about Russian collusion anymore.

It's pretty obvious Mueller is trying to use Gates to put pressure on Manafort to take a plea so Manafort will tell what he knows.

Manafort was at the Trump Jr. meeting in Trump Tower. He could tell what when on at the meeting and it might explain why everyone from the Trump team has lied about the meeting.

You really don't think that meeting was about adoptions, do you?

Posted by artisticsavant
Member since Mar 2017
5436 posts
Posted on 2/25/18 at 12:22 pm to
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Is 'Collusion with Russia' over?


To normal, sane people yes. To opponents of Trump it will last as long as he's in office.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
43976 posts
Posted on 2/25/18 at 12:25 pm to
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Is that what Fox is telling you these days?

Are YOU Robert Mueller? You have no idea what Mueller has found or not.




I guess you missed the big news this month.

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Now, there is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity. There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election
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Mueller's boss flat out said that no American (which includes POTUS) had any knowledge or wittingly participated in collusion with Russia. So it looks like you are the one that is dreaming dogboy.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
69994 posts
Posted on 2/25/18 at 12:29 pm to
It never was a thing but the media has been playing it up to undermine President Trump. The reason why we aren't hearing about it right now is because those in the mainstream media are attempting a Hail Mary pass to turn the people of this country in favor of gun control.

They'll be back on the subject of Russia collusion in another week or two.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
43976 posts
Posted on 2/25/18 at 12:35 pm to
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It's pretty obvious Mueller is trying to use Gates to put pressure on Manafort to take a plea so Manafort will tell what he knows.

Manafort was at the Trump Jr. meeting in Trump Tower. He could tell what when on at the meeting and it might explain why everyone from the Trump team has lied about the meeting.




If Manafort really did have the beans to spill, why would he turn on the one person who has unlimited power to pardon of him any crime that he might be convicted of by Mueller?

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You really don't think that meeting was about adoptions, do you?


Even if it wasn't about adoptions, gathering opposition research from foreign countries is not illegal or an impeachable offense. In fact the entire Mueller investigation is based on opposition research from foreign countries. If for some reason it was illegal or an impeachable offense then the evidence that Mueller used would be thrown out by the Chief Justice during the impeachment trial.

Firing Comey was not obstruction because Trump did so on the advice of RR. So if anybody has to take the fall it will be RR, who has to be Mueller's boss.

The only hope Mueller has of "getting Trump" is to catch him a perjury trap and it does not appear that Trump's lawyers will let that happen.

So to answer my own question, yes muh Russians is over.
This post was edited on 2/25/18 at 12:40 pm
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