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re: Church Celebrates Transgender Pastor's Transition With 'Renaming' Ceremony
Posted on 2/12/18 at 9:56 pm to themunch
Posted on 2/12/18 at 9:56 pm to themunch
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There is no worse sin as such. There is no weight given to sins.
There are sins that are worse for society and families, and certain sins like, adultery, the Bible describes as sinning against your own body. Plus, there are list throughout the Bible of specific sins that will prevent a person from entering heaven.
So while I know what you are saying, it isn't entirely accurate. And that's not even bringing up the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:00 pm to Revelator
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It's not a continual act.
But remarriage is
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:01 pm to themunch
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There is no worse sin as such. There is no weight given to sins.
That's not true (again, if the Bible is to be believed)
I don't personally believe any of it but the Bible is very clear that some sins are worse than others.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:01 pm to BestBanker
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It's apparent that if you don't like what The Almighty created, you have choice to recreate the mistake and make it alllll better.
So like plastic surgery?
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:06 pm to mtntiger
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Should the church quit preaching the Ten Commandments so as not to offend the thieves, liars, adulterers, murderers, etc? Of course not, so why is it making exceptions for homosexuals and other sexual deviants?
Well, first off, most of the laws you reference are in Leviticus, which Christ Himself said you are no longer bound by - only the Ten Commandments.
It was Peter, coming along much later, that thought gay men were icky (didn't have a problem with hot girl-on-girl action though). He did say women should be silent though - a very popular take, I'm sure.
Most "Christians" are actually "Paulians" - taking about 75% of their focus from Paul instead of Jesus.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:08 pm to FooManChoo
I first read this as a "Reaming Ceremony".
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:10 pm to FooManChoo
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Martin Luther would be ashamed to have his name associated with such a "church".
Ecumenical understatement of the century.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:16 pm to Roger Klarvin
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That's not true
I am listening.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:17 pm to Roger Klarvin
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But remarriage is
Jesus spoke several times on divorce, stating that if you were divorced for any but a very tiny list, you were in a perpetual state of sin. You spent all your days as an adulterer, and if you were the husband you were forcing your wife to be an adulterer as well.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:18 pm to Roger Klarvin
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But remarriage is
I'm not trying to defend divorce or any other kind of sin Roger.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:20 pm to TrueTiger
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Jesus turned water to wine,
And Jeremiah was a bullfrog. The sexual transition is not a myth.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:23 pm to skrayper
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Well, first off, most of the laws you reference are in Leviticus, which Christ Himself said you are no longer bound by - only the Ten Commandments. It was Peter, coming along much later, that thought gay men were icky (didn't have a problem with hot girl-on-girl action though). He did say women should be silent though - a very popular take, I'm sure. Most "Christians" are actually "Paulians" - taking about 75% of their focus from Paul instead of Jesus.
So let me get this straight. Paul, who taught the exact same thing that all of this Old Testament did about homosexuality was somehow off track for personal reasons?
Did not God himself in the Old Testament condemn homosexuality? Didn't Jesus say, " I do only what I see the Father do", and " the Father and I are one?"
So I'm to believe that Jesus had a diffent view of homosexuality than his Father's and Paul was simply making up theology as he went along?
The Bible is 100% consistent in its condemnation of homosexuality in both Old and New Testament and there are no verses in either that paint homosexuality in any other light except negative and sinful.
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:30 pm to skrayper
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Jesus spoke several times on divorce, stating that if you were divorced for any but a very tiny list, you were in a perpetual state of sin. You spent all your days as an adulterer, and if you were the husband you were forcing your wife to be an adulterer as well.
From Grace to You Ministry;
Jesus is saying that the act of remarriage is an act of adultery. He is not teaching that the ongoing conjugal relationship with the new spouse is a state of “perpetual adultery”--as if God refused to recognize the remarriageas legitimate in any sense.
If that were the case--if the ongoing physical relationship between the remarried couple constituted one long, continuous, adulterous affair—the proper remedy, and the only way to end the chain of adultery, would be to dissolve the second marriage and insist that everyone return to his or her original spouse. On the contrary, Scripture teaches that the new marriage is now binding. In order to avoid further acts of adultery, the remarried person needs to remain faithful to the new spouse.
As a matter of fact, in the same passage where Moses permitted husbands to issue a certificate of divorce, the law added this restriction: “When she has departed from his house, and goes and becomes another man’s wife, if the latter husband detests her and writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house, or if the latter husband dies who took her as his wife, then her former husband who divorced her must not take her backto be his wife after she has been defiled; for that is an abomination before the LORD” (Deuteronomy 24:2-4, emphasis added).
Clearly, the second marriage—whether biblically justified or not—becomes as binding as the original marriage was supposed to be. A return to the original spouse is strictly forbidden.
So Jesus’ words in Matthew 5:32 (and Mark 10:11-12) mean simply that entering into an illegitimate remarriage is an adulterous act. Nevertheless, once that new marriage covenant is sealed, the remarried couple needs to remain married and be faithful to one another. Their on going physical relationship is not to bethought of as “perpetual adultery.”
Posted on 2/13/18 at 4:13 pm to skrayper
quote:this seems awfully hard to quantify as you are doing. also, you seem to be drawing a distinction between paul and Jesus. do you feel they are saying different things?
Most "Christians" are actually "Paulians" - taking about 75% of their focus from Paul instead of Jesus.
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