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FFP vs SFP scopes
Posted on 1/29/18 at 7:34 am
Posted on 1/29/18 at 7:34 am
I've been researching optics for a 6.5 Creedmoor and I'm still not sure about one thing. I've looked at all the major brands and then I came across Nikon. The have a terrific app that helps you dial in your distances. However, when you enter in an SFP optic the BDC ranges change at different magnifications. Not so on the FFP optics. (Which they are lagging behind btw.) Can someone explain this to me?
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Posted on 1/29/18 at 8:03 am to LSUlefty
Reticle on FFP changes size as you zoom. It allows you to use you your BDC system or something like it without having to take into account the magnification.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 8:15 am to LSUlefty
Rize is correct. If you are doing long range shooting and using your reticle for distance calculation and/or using the BDC/windage holdover a FFP optic is clutch. I'm about to pull the trigger on the Vortex Viper PST 5-25 FFP myself.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 9:24 am to LSUlefty
The FFP is great as far as not having to worry about magnification settings. As you zoom the reticle spacing stays constant. (I prefer FFP) The only downside to me is as a result of the reticle expanding with zoom, the actual lines of the reticle expand also and are not as fine at max power as they are at the min power setting. Some long range target shooters prefer SFP scopes because it lets them get finer detail on reticle placement.
This post was edited on 1/29/18 at 11:35 am
Posted on 1/29/18 at 9:49 am to LSUlefty
SFP has the reticle calculated at max zoom most of the time. So if you wanted to range something with one you would need to be at the highest power usually.
FFP will let you do it at any power on the scope. It's also more expensive.
FFP will let you do it at any power on the scope. It's also more expensive.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 10:09 am to LSUlefty
As others have said FFP reticle changes in size as you zoom so the subtentions of the crosshairs scales as you zoom.
I have some friends that say that their hunting rifles must have FFP. Personally I don't see the need for it. My hunting rifle has a MPBR (Maximum point blank range) of around 260 yards (+/- 3" for a 6" shot circle). With our heavy woods in Alabama it's tough to get a shot too much farther than that. Shots longer then 260 yards I'll probably have the 3-9x or 2-7x scope cranked all the way over to full magnification so then FFP doesn't matter much. Maybe if I has a 12-16-18x scope that I wouldn't crank over to full magnification at 300-400 yards I might wants FFP? Or maybe if I hunted our west with big long shots? Maybe I don't know what I'm missing but I haven't felt handicapped by not having FFP. For target shooting out to 600 yards I prefer to have good DOPE on my rifle and prefer to dial in my come-ups/downs/windage so I get a repeatable sight picture for every shot.
I have some friends that say that their hunting rifles must have FFP. Personally I don't see the need for it. My hunting rifle has a MPBR (Maximum point blank range) of around 260 yards (+/- 3" for a 6" shot circle). With our heavy woods in Alabama it's tough to get a shot too much farther than that. Shots longer then 260 yards I'll probably have the 3-9x or 2-7x scope cranked all the way over to full magnification so then FFP doesn't matter much. Maybe if I has a 12-16-18x scope that I wouldn't crank over to full magnification at 300-400 yards I might wants FFP? Or maybe if I hunted our west with big long shots? Maybe I don't know what I'm missing but I haven't felt handicapped by not having FFP. For target shooting out to 600 yards I prefer to have good DOPE on my rifle and prefer to dial in my come-ups/downs/windage so I get a repeatable sight picture for every shot.
This post was edited on 1/29/18 at 10:10 am
Posted on 1/29/18 at 10:50 am to 257WBY
75% hunting with my longest lane around 200 yds.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 11:31 am to DeoreDX
For a hunting rifle, I'd say it's probably a wash. I'd much rather have the ffp scope, due to ease of adjustments on the fly. I can deal with a think reticle.
As far as target shooting and what not. A SFP scope is going to be a pain in the arse if you are trying to use the reticle. If you use the reticle for ranging and wind calls you will need to go to the designated magnification to do that. That's all fine and dandy until you get in the heat with some mirage and that designated magnification is totally unusable and you can't see the target.
You still need to have good dope for the rifle, that will never change.
Also, suppose you miss? With a ffp reticle, you just look at where the splash hit in the reticle and adjust it to hit center. Easy and on the fly. Or if you want just take and hold where the round hit on the center of the target and shoot again.
A SFP scope, you'd have to remember where it hit, dial to the designated magnification, get and make your adjustments, then dial back to whatever magnification you want. Meanwhile, I've shot your buck and you are still dicking around trying to figure out why you are 6 feet off.
Anyways, ffp is faster but the reticle can get fat. SFP keeps a small fine reticle, but is slow.
Learn to use the reticle for a ffp scope and it will be even faster.
I'm at work and all over the place so if it doesn't make sense ask.
As far as target shooting and what not. A SFP scope is going to be a pain in the arse if you are trying to use the reticle. If you use the reticle for ranging and wind calls you will need to go to the designated magnification to do that. That's all fine and dandy until you get in the heat with some mirage and that designated magnification is totally unusable and you can't see the target.
You still need to have good dope for the rifle, that will never change.
Also, suppose you miss? With a ffp reticle, you just look at where the splash hit in the reticle and adjust it to hit center. Easy and on the fly. Or if you want just take and hold where the round hit on the center of the target and shoot again.
A SFP scope, you'd have to remember where it hit, dial to the designated magnification, get and make your adjustments, then dial back to whatever magnification you want. Meanwhile, I've shot your buck and you are still dicking around trying to figure out why you are 6 feet off.
Anyways, ffp is faster but the reticle can get fat. SFP keeps a small fine reticle, but is slow.
Learn to use the reticle for a ffp scope and it will be even faster.
I'm at work and all over the place so if it doesn't make sense ask.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 12:52 pm to kengel2
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As far as target shooting and what not. A SFP scope is going to be a pain in the arse if you are trying to use the reticle
I guess it all depends on what type of target shooting you do. On the 200/300/600 yard known distance high power CMP course all I need is a reticle that gives me a good consistent sight picture on the 6MOA aiming black.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 9:04 am to TheNolaClap
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I'm about to pull the trigger on the Vortex Viper PST 5-25 FFP myself.
It seems everyone is after this scope
Posted on 1/30/18 at 11:43 am to LSUlefty
You should try the StrelokPro app. Best out there. Can select your specific scope and reticle. Standard or custom loads. Actual representation of target and hold.
Many competition shooters use it.
Many competition shooters use it.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 4:17 pm to LSUlefty
If I don't have to ship it you can have it for 475
Posted on 1/31/18 at 7:56 am to GREENHEAD22
I'll think about it after I research it bit. I live in Youngsville.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 8:06 am to LSUlefty
I'll actually be in youngsville this Saturday.
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