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Posted on 1/25/18 at 2:06 pm to weagle99
Feral cats are one of the top causes of extinction.
People who support them are trash.
People who support them are trash.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 2:08 pm to Quinn225
quote:
Kelly Folse?
negative. idk if it was "that" exact program but she spayed and neutered a bunch of trapped cats around br and set them back loose.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 2:09 pm to weagle99
they do make great .22 targets for the kids to sharpen up with
Posted on 1/25/18 at 2:12 pm to mack the knife
I find it amusing when people think "it's just nature" when their cats or the cats they release are hunting birds, squirrels, frogs,baby rabbits etc...... but heaven forbid when nature ie.. Coyotes or great horned owls hunt feral/roaming cats"
great horned owl - does a serious number on a cat - not pretty
great horned owl - does a serious number on a cat - not pretty
Posted on 1/25/18 at 2:12 pm to weagle99
Yeh...cats are the problem.
Those "native small animals" aren't native to apartment complexes, bub. They're native to the forest/grassy area that used to be where the apartment or retirement living community now stands. The bulldozers that cleared that area killed WAY more useful wild animals than 5 generations of feral cats living there will kill.
I'm not an environmentalist nor do I care how many rabbits are ruthlessly 'slaughtered' a day (rabbits are a much bigger nuisance than cats, by the way, and cats keep those little effers in check). But don't sit in here talking about how cats are the problem, when in the entire time that apartment complex has sat there, cats have killed far less animals than humans killed in the 1 week it took to clear the land.
Sure, the population of ferals needs to be limited somehow since they don't have a ton of natural predators when they're in more urban communities. But you can do that effectively with TNR, plenty of studies to back that. No need to kill them (unless they're rabid or carrying disease) so a few more lizards will survive, let nature work that out.
Those "native small animals" aren't native to apartment complexes, bub. They're native to the forest/grassy area that used to be where the apartment or retirement living community now stands. The bulldozers that cleared that area killed WAY more useful wild animals than 5 generations of feral cats living there will kill.
I'm not an environmentalist nor do I care how many rabbits are ruthlessly 'slaughtered' a day (rabbits are a much bigger nuisance than cats, by the way, and cats keep those little effers in check). But don't sit in here talking about how cats are the problem, when in the entire time that apartment complex has sat there, cats have killed far less animals than humans killed in the 1 week it took to clear the land.
Sure, the population of ferals needs to be limited somehow since they don't have a ton of natural predators when they're in more urban communities. But you can do that effectively with TNR, plenty of studies to back that. No need to kill them (unless they're rabid or carrying disease) so a few more lizards will survive, let nature work that out.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 2:16 pm to Scruffy
quote:This is true. They have no predator of their own to keep them in check and the reproduce pretty steadily as well.
Feral cats are one of the top causes of extinction.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 2:25 pm to Fe_Mike
quote:
Those "native small animals" aren't native to apartment complexes, bub. They're native to the forest/grassy area that used to be where the apartment or retirement living community now stands. The bulldozers that cleared that area killed WAY more useful wild animals than 5 generations of feral cats living there will kill.
I'm not an environmentalist nor do I care how many rabbits are ruthlessly 'slaughtered' a day (rabbits are a much bigger nuisance than cats, by the way, and cats keep those little effers in check). But don't sit in here talking about how cats are the problem, when in the entire time that apartment complex has sat there, cats have killed far less animals than humans killed in the 1 week it took to clear the land.
disagree.... when the land is cleared most of the animals don't sit there and get run over - they run..... or fly away.. seen in many times...
Posted on 1/25/18 at 2:27 pm to weagle99
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I am talking about the trap, neuter, and return program where feral cats are intentionally let loose back into the wild after being caught.
By wild I'm assuming you mean suburban neighborhoods where they can shite and piss all over the neighborhood and not like the real forest where they would be eaten by coyotes, foxes and bobcats...
Posted on 1/25/18 at 2:28 pm to MontyFranklyn
quote:
and the reproduce pretty steadily as well.
They don't reproduce if ya' clip their chords.
And, if you let them back out once they're fixed, they're likely to start (or continue?) killing the kittens in their territory that they run across. So they do the euthanizing for you. 'Save' one old cat, and 10 kittens die. That's a win win, right?
Posted on 1/25/18 at 2:30 pm to Fe_Mike
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 1/25/18 at 2:32 pm to weagle99
Our "outdoor" cat keeps our chipmunk population in check. Im good with it cause the little frickers mess up our garden.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 2:35 pm to weagle99
Consider this...
the cats are here and they aren't going anywhere on their own. How many people do you think would volunteer to catch the cats if they were being euthanized compared to how many volunteer to bring them in to be snipped? It's not a solution to the problem, but it at least slows it down.
the cats are here and they aren't going anywhere on their own. How many people do you think would volunteer to catch the cats if they were being euthanized compared to how many volunteer to bring them in to be snipped? It's not a solution to the problem, but it at least slows it down.
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 1/25/18 at 2:35 pm to choupiquesushi
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disagree.... when the land is cleared most of the animals don't sit there and get run over - they run..... or fly away.. seen in many times...
I've written multiple research papers on population density and control.
When you destroy a habitat, most of those animals die. I'm not saying they are literally crushed by bulldozers. But they can't just say "Oops my house is crushed, gonna go down the street and live at Peter's house til I find a new one".
If they survive long enough to find another habitat, they are increasing the demand for food in that habitat. Which means animals are going to start starving and dying.
Why do you think coyotes are becoming more urban problems? It's because near big cities, the rural areas they live in are becoming more residential. So in order to survive, they have to stray into urban populations and communities, where they will inevitably die. No, that coyote didn't get run over by a bulldozer, but had that bulldozer never shown up, it would have stayed in the forest where it belongs.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 2:39 pm to Fe_Mike
Actually in some areas, coyotes are thriving, they have adapted well to urban enviroment, but other species are suffering due to the coyotes.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 2:41 pm to Fe_Mike
quote:
I've written multiple research papers on population density and control.
sure you have, that's why you believe your own BS...
and.... coyotes are increasing in the suburbs because we are increasing the perfect habitat for them.... and if you did your research like you claim you would know coyotes don't really thrive "in the forest" they thrive o n the fringes..... clearing "forests" in many cases creates MORE habitat and food sources....... please your BS may work on a layman - but when it comes to wildlife habitat, populations and management - I am no layman....
Posted on 1/25/18 at 2:43 pm to Roadkill Gumbo
quote:
Actually in some areas, coyotes are thriving, they have adapted well to urban enviroment, but other species are suffering due to the coyotes
Like cats...
Posted on 1/25/18 at 2:44 pm to choupiquesushi
Society benefits from releasing the feral cats , which provides more accessible food for the coyotes. The same coyote that may have made a try for your dog (#mansbestfriendrules) can now just watch Rover play happily in his yard while enjoying a belly full of feral cats .
Win-Win
Win-Win
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 1/25/18 at 2:49 pm to AUTimbo
I dunno.. I looked at the stomach contents of the last 3 coyotes I pelted - and they were all 3 "suburban" yotes and... we looked at their stomach contents out of curiosity(I was "invited" to get rid of said coyotes because of pet predation) all 3 had the usual coyote fare...
frogs, mice and of course rabbit - no cat.. although I did see one running down the road carrying a cat recently -
it has been my experience that a coyote has to be starving to go after a dog - from a predator standpoint animals with eyes facing forward - are also predators - which means they can usually fight back - it does appear that they are much less wary of going after cats though.... and.. I have yet to see a yote stick around hearing the sound that sends them scurrying for cover instantly....
frogs, mice and of course rabbit - no cat.. although I did see one running down the road carrying a cat recently -
it has been my experience that a coyote has to be starving to go after a dog - from a predator standpoint animals with eyes facing forward - are also predators - which means they can usually fight back - it does appear that they are much less wary of going after cats though.... and.. I have yet to see a yote stick around hearing the sound that sends them scurrying for cover instantly....
Posted on 1/25/18 at 2:51 pm to choupiquesushi
[quote]great horned owl - does a serious number on a cat - not pretty
Not a GHO, but the early bird gets the fat cat.
YT - Hawk in the ‘hood
Not a GHO, but the early bird gets the fat cat.
YT - Hawk in the ‘hood
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