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For those that use the term “Faux News”

Posted on 1/25/18 at 9:08 am
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 1/25/18 at 9:08 am
I hear from the left all the time that Fox is the fake news and that the rest of the MSM is the truth.

Honest question: Can you provide examples of Fox News that are CONSISTENTLY “out there”? All outlets have their foul ups, but I am talking about the show or personality that is overwhelmingly one-sided and shilling.

If it is the entire network, I’d ask you to provide more than one or two examples of a pervasive bias.

I expect Hannity will be #1 on the list, and I think it is reasonable to say he lacks objectivity.

What else?
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 10:04 am
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:02 am to
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
78964 posts
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:06 am to
Fox lied , People died !
Faux News !

If your entire political philosophy is bumper-sticker depth quality, that’s all you need. Progressives aren’t content with having a Cultural Monopoly Of 96.3%. They want it all.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:10 am to
I know you are but what am I
Posted by Pettifogger
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Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:14 am to
Fox is part of the MSM.

And Fox and Friends are overwhelmingly one sided. Conversations begin with things like "well, it's clear by now what a huge patriot President Trump is, which is why so much of this Russia stuff just doesn't ring true."

It's absurd. Harmless because it is such soft news, but still ridiculous.

Hannity is awful. I like and watch Tucker, but he's openly biased. I don't really like Laura, although I don't think she's a nut. But she's biased and lacks objectivity.

Dana Perino is good, but biased. Everyone on the Five but Williams leans right.

Fox is incredibly one-sided and shilling. There is no way around it. I prefer that shilling networks shill to my side, but let's call them what they are.
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:16 am to
Hannity does lack objectivity but as he has said hundreds of times... he is not a news reporter and makes no claim to be one. He is a commentator. So is just about every person on CNN and MSNBC but they claim to be objective reporters which they are clearly not.
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 11:15 am
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
20025 posts
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:17 am to
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Pettifogger


Good answer.

Tell you what: Let's limit the issue to JUST the news coverage itself. The "talking heads" things are what they are, and I can accept each outlet having their "personality" here.

What if we ONLY talk about the hard news coverage?
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
73548 posts
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:19 am to
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I expect Hannity will be #1 on the list, and I think it is reasonable to say he lacks objectivity.


Hannity openly admits that he is not a journalist. Why do people have such a hard time understanding the distinction? Fake news is coming from fake journalists, not opinion guys like Hannity, Levin, Rush, etc.
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 10:20 am
Posted by austintigerdad
Llano County, TX
Member since Nov 2010
1884 posts
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:20 am to
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Ag Zwin

Honest question: Can you provide examples of Fox News that are CONSISTENTLY “out there”?

Google is your friend. First up Wikipedia.
quote:

Sexual harassment
Pro-Republican and pro-Trump bias
Coverage of Russia investigation
False claims about other media
Climate change
Donald Trump wiretapping claim
Murder of Seth Rich conspiracy
Obama administration conflict with Fox News
White supremacist rally in Charlottesville

Posted by Pettifogger
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Member since Feb 2012
79322 posts
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:22 am to
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What if we ONLY talk about the hard news coverage?



It's lacking on almost every network, to be honest.

I don't really care to tell you that MSNBC's hard news coverage is better than Fox's, and I'm not sure I know how it compares, honestly.

If I had to guess, I'd say Fox is better than MSNBC and may now be a little ahead of CNN, but again, it's rare to find hard news not infected with cable editorializing. Plus, it's hard to spot sometimes. A "bombshell" in the Russia investigation on CNN may not get reported on Fox at all, or if it is, it is probably presented as part of a hard news story about whether or not Mueller is abusing his powers or something similar.

Similarly, stuff about the "memo" on CNN I'm sure is presented in the context of a Republican attempt to push back at the ongoing investigation of Trump, etc.

I'll push back against liberals who bizarrely claim that Fox is biased but CNN/MSNBC are less biased. But otherwise, I think it's futile to try and rank three extremely biased and overall, shitty, cable news networks.
Posted by Big_Slim
Mogadishu
Member since Apr 2016
3977 posts
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:23 am to
Literally everything you just posted is proof of fake news on the other side

And sexual harassment? Yeah it's not like anyone at any other major network has been accused of that recently

Also stay tuned for wire tapping

and his name was most definitely Seth Rich
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 10:24 am
Posted by coolpapaboze
Parts Unknown
Member since Dec 2006
15853 posts
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:23 am to
I think you have to differentiate between the opinion/personality shows, and the actual news coverage.
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79322 posts
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:23 am to
quote:

Hannity openly admits that he is not a journalist. Why do people have such a hard time understanding the distinction? Fake news is coming from fake journalists, not opinion guys like Hannity, Levin, Rush, etc.



Does it really matter though?

When Hannity is pushing Seth Rich and people buy into that, why does it make a difference that he calls himself a pundit?
Posted by 5thTiger
Member since Nov 2014
7996 posts
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:23 am to
Could it be that he is on the Fox NEWS Channel? I don’t mind spin, but I do mind The outright lies and verifiable incorrect info they use, ie: pizza gate. They have taken spin to a place that isn’t reflective of reality in some cases, and that can be dangerous.

Rhetoric matters. Pizza gate gunman. CNN caller threatens to massacre people.

Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
73548 posts
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:25 am to
quote:

When Hannity is pushing Seth Rich and people buy into that, why does it make a difference that he calls himself a pundit?


You are too smart to not know the answer to that question.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50714 posts
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:25 am to
quote:

"well, it's clear by now what a huge patriot President Trump is, which is why so much of this Russia stuff just doesn't ring true."



This is a true statement.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
73548 posts
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:26 am to
I personally turned it all off a few months ago. I cut the cable. I do still listen to talk radio, however.
Posted by JimboFisherAM
Member since Dec 2017
569 posts
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:31 am to
Here's a politifact website with list of retractions Fox has issued. You probably won't take the time to read all 9 pages that have been retracted, because that would take too long.

This scorecard shows the ratings for statements made on air by Fox, Fox News and Fox Business personalities and their pundit guests. Rulings do not include statements made on air by politicians or paid spokespeople.

Statements made on FOX
Click on the ruling to see all of the statements made on FOX.

True17 (10%)(17)
Mostly True20 (12%)(20)
Half True31 (18%)(31)
Mostly False35 (21%)(35)
False50 (30%)(50)
Pants on Fire16 (9%)(16)

Politifact List of Fox Retractions
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79322 posts
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:35 am to
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You are too smart to not know the answer to that question.



I don't think there is an answer. It largely doesn't matter.

If people cease to care about the distinction between journalist and pundit, why does it matter if pundits caveat their bullshite by noting that they're not journalists?
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79322 posts
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:36 am to
quote:

This is a true statement.



And I expect it from you, a Trump loyalist.

It's ridiculous from a news channel.
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