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re: Can you be fiscally conservative and socially liberal?
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:35 pm to Centinel
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:35 pm to Centinel
quote:What's the definition of "small"? That's usually the hangup.
Libertarians are people who are actually consistent when they say they're for small government.
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Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:35 pm to Jokey1968
I'm very fiscally conservative and socially liberal. I want the government to stay out of people's bedrooms and, especially, to stay out of their wallets.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:35 pm to Jokey1968
quote:Absolutely possible. I'm fiscally conservative. And while my social views are considered conservative out here in California, in the South I'm sure I'd be considered a liberal on social issues.
Can you be fiscally conservative and socially liberal?
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:36 pm to Jokey1968
You can as long as that "socially liberal" cause doesn't involve spending large quanities of extra money.
For example, legalizing pot or gay marriage doesn't necessarily cost billions of dollars. However, free college education, socialized medicine, and expanded social safety nets cost massive amounts of money, and thus are not "fiscally conservative".
Basically, being "socially liberal" means you believe in civil liberties, like everyone should. Being "fiscally conservative" means that we shouldn't spend what we don't have on superfluous, unconstitutional programs we cannot afford, i.e. like everyone should.
For example, legalizing pot or gay marriage doesn't necessarily cost billions of dollars. However, free college education, socialized medicine, and expanded social safety nets cost massive amounts of money, and thus are not "fiscally conservative".
Basically, being "socially liberal" means you believe in civil liberties, like everyone should. Being "fiscally conservative" means that we shouldn't spend what we don't have on superfluous, unconstitutional programs we cannot afford, i.e. like everyone should.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:36 pm to AUsteriskPride
Appreciate you guys taking time to respond. Very informative.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:37 pm to Jokey1968
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Heard a guy mention this and it got me thinking. Can they coincide together?
you're just now realizing this?
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:39 pm to FooManChoo
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Sort of. There might be some bleed over where government handouts supporting "progressive" social policies are concerned, but usually it just means that the government should allow people to do immoral things in the name of liberty while not wanting the government to pay for it. It's how a lot of libertarians think.
i assume you and your self righteous ilk are the arbiter of immorality ...
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:40 pm to Kentucker
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I want the government to stay out of people's bedrooms
Aren't you getting your wish?
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:40 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Most libertarians want less govt, a contrast with a lot of Democrats and Republicans.
I would take it a step further and say that core pillar in Libertarian belief is that the government should be as small as possible.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:40 pm to Jokey1968
I fit pretty close. Do whatever you want. Wanna light your hair on fire? Go ahead. Wanna have a 10 man gay orgy? Be my guest. Just don’t do on my property or ask for my money. My main hang up being fully socially liberal is on abortion, but it’s because I believe it is a life, and you don’t have the right to kill it.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:41 pm to tiderider
quote:I'm not self righteous. If I thought that, I'd be inconsistent with my religious beliefs.
i assume you and your self righteous ilk are the arbiter of immorality ...
But yes, my "ilk" (Christians) are the arbiter of immorality, at least in terms of having a believed objective standard for morality, which is more than a humanist can say.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:41 pm to CptRusty
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I would take it a step further and say that core pillar in Libertarian belief is that the government should be as small as possible.
Bingo. The government which governs least governs best.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:42 pm to Montezuma
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As long as the users are actually working.
As long as the abled body users are actually working.
No one should have a hang-up about helping someone that can't help themselves.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:42 pm to Jokey1968
I'm the exact opposite
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:42 pm to FooManChoo
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But yes, my "ilk" (Christians) are the arbiter of immorality, at least in terms of having a believed objective standard for morality, which is more than a humanist can say.
And there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. The issue is when you want to force this morality framework on others who do not share your beliefs.
(I don't necessarily mean YOU per say, just your point of view in general)
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:42 pm to Jokey1968
Yep. You can be personally conservative and socially just DGAF. Like a personal isolationist.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:46 pm to Centinel
quote:Government is all about forcing a moral framework on others, including those that don't share their beliefs. We're just arguing about what standard or framework is better/best.
And there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. The issue is when you want to force this morality framework on others who do not share your beliefs.
(I don't necessarily mean YOU per say, just your point of view in general)
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:46 pm to Centinel
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Libertarians are people who are actually consistent when they say they're for small government.
Like Gary Johnson?
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:47 pm to BobBoucher
I definitely wouldn’t want to be an isolationist. I’m more of a libertarian.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:48 pm to FooManChoo
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Government is all about forcing a moral framework on others, i
It absolutely is not, and where it starts to encroach on this territory, it has gotten "too big".
This post was edited on 1/12/18 at 1:51 pm
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