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re: Canada and Orgeron : The story
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:46 am to TenthTiger
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:46 am to TenthTiger
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I said before that Canada was a very emotional man. Usually that emotion was anger. My reaction is that it wouldnt surprise me in the least.
So you're saying it wouldn't surprise you if Aranda wanted Canada gone? Not sure which post from Jester you are responding.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:46 am to TenthTiger
Sadly we have football ignorant morons on this site like the first cut and hot Carl and geauxst writer who have proven they know nothing about football by saying Matt sucked. Your info coincides with infonfrom
Troy game and Pitt fans. Surreal. Boy did o shite the bed.
Troy game and Pitt fans. Surreal. Boy did o shite the bed.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:47 am to Nutriaitch
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that $3mil was also guaranteed money. just not guaranteed that LSU was going to be the school to foot the entire bill for it.
Exactly. So the possibility exists for him to make the same or even more money now. And that's without having to deal with a possible legal battle.
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so unless he lands another Million+ dollar job this year, he still takes a hit. and other than him, there was only 2 OC's in entire country making over $1mil last year, meaning likelihood of him having that type of salary again is actually quite slim.
1. Let's not act like coordinator salaries aren't rising at an astronomical rate now. How many coordinators made $1 million prior to last year? How many are scheduled to make it already as of now next year?
2. To break even here Canada needs to find a job making 775k. Anything more than that and he is making more money than had he gotten his full Lsu buyout. How many coordinators make that much money? What do you think the chances are for him finding that kind of job? I'd guess probably pretty good, and would bet someone with Canada's apparent ego would probably feel the same.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:47 am to BayouCowboy
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I thought it was 1.7 and done. I never saw an additional 2 years at 650K. If so, that's my mistake. The overarching narrative has been he just gets the 1.7m.
Bruhhhhh. This has been explained numerous times in this thread.
If he doesn't take the buyout, LSU owes him $3,000,000 minus whatever money he earns elsewhere over the remaining term of the contract (2 more years). Chances are, he will get another job for at least $650k per year.
If he gets a contract for $650K per year, that's $1.3M plus $1.7M in buyout money, or $3M.
Now, if someone chooses to pay him $800k per year (not a huge stretch), that becomes 1.6M + 1.7M = $3.3M. However, without agreeing to the buyout, he would still make only $3M total.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:48 am to Jester
I thought Canada gets $1 million now in lump sum, and the $700,000 is paid out in installments over time. He is getting $1.7 million total.
This post was edited on 1/10/18 at 11:49 am
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:51 am to Chicken
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I thought Canada gets $1 million now in lump sum, and the $700,000 is paid out in installments over time. He is getting $1.7 million total.
That's my understanding.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:52 am to TenthTiger
Alleva should have fired O for cause and kept Canada.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:52 am to Open Your Eyes
I'm just pointing out the inconsistencies.
Orgeron says he did not know who was in for that play or why Brossette was starting. You want him knowing everything, but you don't want him interfering with the offense. So if you don't want him interfering in the offense, then why do you care that he did not know that Brossette was starting?
If he did know, would that change your assessment of Orgeron? Or...... would you have criticized Orgeron for allowing a third stringer in there to start the game? Would your complaint have even existed if Brossette does not fumble? Was Brossette fumbling Orgeron's fault? Maybe someone should have asked Canada or Ensminger or someone associated with the offense this question?
In my mind it does not matter if Orgeron knew why Brossette was in the game or not. What mattered was that was a play that was run all year long, that it was blocked correctly and run correctly...which it was in terms of execution. If Brossette does not fumble, we don't have this discussion. What if Guice had fumbled after a 5-6 yard gain on a very good tackle by the opposition?
Your whole argument rests on the outcome of that play and why Orgeron let a third string RB start the game. My contention is that 1) it really does not matter 2) Orgeron is b.sing us on that- he knew why and who was going in.
Why no criticism of Canada in the MSU game where his offense got throttled, shut down and humiliated? Why no crticism for the lethargic play of he offense (and defense) against Syracuse the week before?
I'm not spinning, you are
Orgeron says he did not know who was in for that play or why Brossette was starting. You want him knowing everything, but you don't want him interfering with the offense. So if you don't want him interfering in the offense, then why do you care that he did not know that Brossette was starting?
If he did know, would that change your assessment of Orgeron? Or...... would you have criticized Orgeron for allowing a third stringer in there to start the game? Would your complaint have even existed if Brossette does not fumble? Was Brossette fumbling Orgeron's fault? Maybe someone should have asked Canada or Ensminger or someone associated with the offense this question?
In my mind it does not matter if Orgeron knew why Brossette was in the game or not. What mattered was that was a play that was run all year long, that it was blocked correctly and run correctly...which it was in terms of execution. If Brossette does not fumble, we don't have this discussion. What if Guice had fumbled after a 5-6 yard gain on a very good tackle by the opposition?
Your whole argument rests on the outcome of that play and why Orgeron let a third string RB start the game. My contention is that 1) it really does not matter 2) Orgeron is b.sing us on that- he knew why and who was going in.
Why no criticism of Canada in the MSU game where his offense got throttled, shut down and humiliated? Why no crticism for the lethargic play of he offense (and defense) against Syracuse the week before?
I'm not spinning, you are
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:53 am to Jester
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Bruhhhhh. This has been explained numerous times in this thread. If he doesn't take the buyout, LSU owes him $3,000,000 minus whatever money he earns elsewhere over the remaining term of the contract (2 more years). Chances are, he will get another job for at least $650k per year. If he gets a contract for $650K per year, that's $1.3M plus $1.7M in buyout money, or $3M. Now, if someone chooses to pay him $800k per year (not a huge stretch), that becomes 1.6M + 1.7M = $3.3M. However, without agreeing to the buyout, he would still make only $3M total.
Who cares what someone else MIGHT pay him. Without a new job LSU would owe him 3mil + without an agreed buyout for less:
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LSU will give former offensive coordinator Matt Canada roughly half of what he was owed over the two remaining years of his contract, before he and the school reached a mutual separation agreement announced Friday.
In an release from the school amended sometime Saturday, the school said it will give Canada $1 million before Jan. 31, and he will receive another $700,000 in 20 equal monthly installments before the end of each subsequent month.
The original release from the school did not include those buyout terms.
The $1.7 million is slightly more than half of the $3.25 million he was due to earn through the end of his contract after the 2019 season.
LINK
You're being obtuse.
This post was edited on 1/10/18 at 11:55 am
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:57 am to BayouCowboy
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Who cares what someone else MIGHT pay him. Without a new job LSU would owe him 3mil + without an agreed buyout for less:
This all started in response to your question as to why he would accept the buyout if LSU didn't have "dirt" on him.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 12:01 pm to Chicken
quote:split into monthly payments over 20 months is what I've seen.
the $700,000 is paid out in installments over time.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 12:03 pm to KiwiHead
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I'm just pointing out the inconsistencies.
No you're not. You're attempting to change the conversation from one very clear point of discussion to an entirely different one that literally nobody else is talking about. You are spinning.
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Orgeron says he did not know who was in for that play or why Brossette was starting. You want him knowing everything, but you don't want him interfering with the offense. So if you don't want him interfering in the offense, then why do you care that he did not know that Brossette was starting?
You can keep spinning and trying to change the discussion point. I'll keep repeating the same thing.
Orgeron has made it very clear multiple times that he was the decision maker and the team was going to do what he wanted it to do, including THE SAME PRESS CONFERENCE that he admitted he didn't know who the starting running back was.
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If he did know, would that change your assessment of Orgeron? Or...... would you have criticized Orgeron for allowing a third stringer in there to start the game? Would your complaint have even existed if Brossette does not fumble? Was Brossette fumbling Orgeron's fault? Maybe someone should have asked Canada or Ensminger or someone associated with the offense this question? In my mind it does not matter if Orgeron knew why Brossette was in the game or not. What mattered was that was a play that was run all year long, that it was blocked correctly and run correctly...which it was in terms of execution. If Brossette does not fumble, we don't have this discussion. What if Guice had fumbled after a 5-6 yard gain on a very good tackle by the opposition? Your whole argument rests on the outcome of that play and why Orgeron let a third string RB start the game. My contention is that 1) it really does not matter 2) Orgeron is b.sing us on that- he knew why and who was going in. Why no criticism of Canada in the MSU game where his offense got throttled, shut down and humiliated? Why no crticism for the lethargic play of he offense (and defense) against Syracuse the week before?
This is you continuing to try to change the point of discussion by continuing to talk about things that literally no one else is talking about. This is you spinning.
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I'm not spinning, you are
The 5 paragraphs above of you trying to change the discussion point prove otherwise.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 12:08 pm to Open Your Eyes
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1. Let's not act like coordinator salaries aren't rising at an astronomical rate now. How many coordinators made $1 million prior to last year? How many are scheduled to make it already as of now next year?
rates are definitely skyrocketing.
the numbers i gave are only for the Million Dollar club from 2017.
how many openings at big time schools (only ones who can afford $1 million) are out there for the 2018 season?
UCF Knights
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Florida State Seminoles
Kansas State Wildcats
Texas Tech Red Raiders
Illinois Fighting Illini
Rutgers Scarlet Knights
Florida Atlantic Owls
Marshall Thundering Herd
UAB Blazers
UTSA Roadrunners
New Mexico Lobos
San José State Spartans
Arizona Wildcats
UCLA Bruins
Florida Gators
that's the entire list of vacant OC spots as of this morning.
of those, Florida is the only one to have paid any assistants $1 mil plus last year.
UCLA and FSU are the only ones to pay over the $775k number you threw out.
so the odds of him breaking even with the $3mil is actually quite slim.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 12:08 pm to Jester
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This all started in response to your question as to why he would accept the buyout if LSU didn't have "dirt" on him.
Yes, but then you posted this:
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You also keep being obtuse in regards to the terms of the buyout. $1.7M + 2 years at $650K = $3M
Where did you get the 650K? You didn't qualify that with a hypothetical of a new job paying him that amount until I questioned your facts. There are way too many half-truths floating around.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 12:12 pm to BayouCowboy
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Where did you get the 650K? You didn't qualify that with a hypothetical of a new job paying him that amount until I questioned your facts. There are way too many half-truths floating around.
It was obvious to everyone he was talking about a hypothetical new job, and the pay needed to equal his contract. With the buyout terms it may turn out equal or better for Canada than if he had gotten the 3 mil from LSU.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 12:15 pm to TenthTiger
I've never said this before, but if this is true, screw Ed Orgeron.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 12:19 pm to TenthTiger
thanks for the info, keep it up
Posted on 1/10/18 at 12:20 pm to TenthTiger
this fits the board narrative so it gets 150 upvotes
Posted on 1/10/18 at 12:21 pm to lagallifrey
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It was obvious to everyone he was talking about a hypothetical new job, and the pay needed to equal his contract. With the buyout terms it may turn out equal or better for Canada than if he had gotten the 3 mil from LSU.
My original post was questioning why he didn't take the full buyout. In no report have I seen anywhere that if he does not get employed he receives the full contract. Therefore, more original question is still valid.
This post was edited on 1/10/18 at 12:23 pm
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