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re: Canada and Orgeron : The story
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:24 am to Jester
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:24 am to Jester
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Actually, he may have just wanted it to be over with so he can move on. Another issue may be the terms of the buyout.
If he's willing to take 1.7 on a 3 mil+ contract then he is a better man than me. I have no idea about how the contract is written, but it seems everyone else is getting a full buyout so I would guess his is the same.
From ATVS (again I know bias is everywhere so grain of salt):
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Last year, when hiring Lane Kiffin fell through, Alleva and other powerbrokers made it clear to Orgeron that they expected another big name. Enter the Matt Canada fiasco — and that’s not a bad word to use. Basically, once the work became serious, Canada became a problem for virtually everybody in the LSU Ops Building to work with. Dave Aranda, in particular, very much wanted him gone. It wasn’t about philosophy or jet sweeps or motions so much as it was just a basic working relationship and trust. And while I’m not privy to any specific incidents, there was enough chronicled that LSU threatened to fire Canada for cause in order to reduce the buyout owed to him (with enough of a case that Canada would have likely had to sue to fight it, which he didn’t want to do).
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Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:25 am to Sid in Lakeshore
quote:the Orgeron era has been retarded, I wouldn't dispel anything as ridiculous.
I hav eno idea as to the truth of the rest of the info you provided, but I can promise this is beyond retarded.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:30 am to KiwiHead
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You guys are complaining about that play like it was a bad call, which it was not , any coach would have taken 6 yards on 1st and 10. Brossette got hit hard and in the right place.
You continue talking about the playcall. Nobody has or is talking about the playcall.
The first post you quoted in response to very clearly talked about the fact that the all knowing head coach did not know who the starting rb was.
My post you quoted in response to very clearly talked about the fact that the all knowing head coach did not know who the starting rb was.
You continuing to ignore that and instead talk about the playcall is the very definition of spin, which you are accusing other people of doing.
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AND, as to Orgeron not knowing why, does that not fit with your desire that Orgeron stay out of the offensive play calling, etc?
Once again, you are talking about things nobody else is talking about. You are spinning.
Orgeron made it very clearly known, at that same press conference actually and I think just prior to admitting he didn't know about Brossette, that he was the decision maker and the team was going to do what he wanted to do. To make those statements and then admit IN THE SAME PRESS CONFERENCE that he didn't know who the starting running back was is just further evidence that he is completely unqualified to be in his current position.
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You want it both ways....you can't have it both ways
Says the guy that accuses other people of spinning while his own posts are filled with nothing but spinning.
This post was edited on 1/10/18 at 11:37 am
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:30 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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A great OC can’t fix what’s broken
A great OC doesn’t want anything to do with our joke of a coach.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:31 am to BayouCowboy
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with enough of a case that Canada would have likely had to sue to fight it, which he didn’t want to do
So, it's very far from a slam dunk.
You also keep being obtuse in regards to the terms of the buyout. $1.7M + 2 years at $650K = $3M, but without the headache of ongoing litigation.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:32 am to TenthTiger
bullshite
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:34 am to JohnnyU
Yeah this reads like a fable. If it's true, you could literally narrow the leaker down to two people. Orgeron and Canada
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:34 am to JohnnyU
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bullshite
Which part of it can you substantively refute?
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:35 am to TenthTiger
Well, I think they are both Wrong. If Canada wanted M.B. to play a bigger role in the offense, I think that is a mistake. At no point did M.B. show he was ready. In fact, what he did show was that he was an INT waiting to happen. Combine that with the N.B. fumble to start the game against Troy. I think you can see O's concern for not committing Turn overs.
Now, O's handling of the situation and over riding calls speaks to insecurity and pettiness. If you are denying calls in spite vs if it was a good call or not, just show's a lack of leadership and unprofessionalism.
At the end of the day, I'm not sure it's calls that win the games. It's the talent. Players make plays. The O.C. for bama looked a lot better when the back up qb made plays he called. With the starter, not so much. Here Lies my big issue with O and S.E., LSU has had poor qb play for over 10 years now. S.E. has been on staff during that time. Lsu needs a o.c. who can evaluate, develop, and recruit the qb position. It's why I liked freeze, he has had quality qb play the entire time at ole miss. If S.E. was able to do this, why hasn't he over the last 10 years?
Now, O's handling of the situation and over riding calls speaks to insecurity and pettiness. If you are denying calls in spite vs if it was a good call or not, just show's a lack of leadership and unprofessionalism.
At the end of the day, I'm not sure it's calls that win the games. It's the talent. Players make plays. The O.C. for bama looked a lot better when the back up qb made plays he called. With the starter, not so much. Here Lies my big issue with O and S.E., LSU has had poor qb play for over 10 years now. S.E. has been on staff during that time. Lsu needs a o.c. who can evaluate, develop, and recruit the qb position. It's why I liked freeze, he has had quality qb play the entire time at ole miss. If S.E. was able to do this, why hasn't he over the last 10 years?
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:36 am to TenthTiger
Orgeron comes off as a man who is lacking in areas that he feels he needs to compensate for by driving big vehicles and acting like a know it all when he is actually an incompetent a-hole.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:37 am to TenthTiger
Don’t feel special bro. Anyone can come in here and make up a dooms day scenario and all the O haters will latch on.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:37 am to Jester
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Which part of it can you substantively refute?
If this is true, the leaker would be a count arch in the press box and privy to very intimate discussions
Some might be true but there is a lot of fill in the blank
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:37 am to RogerTheShrubber
Very incorrect. Orgeron and Canadas fights were the butt of alot of jokes on campus.
I provide accurate information.
I provide accurate information.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:38 am to The Truth 34
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A fricking defensive line coach thinking he knows offense. Classic, man.
A fricking defensive line coach thinking that continually calling Kiffin to get his input, is what's best for LSU. Idiotic, man.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:38 am to Jester
Reposting because it got buried:
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So, Tenth, in that As The Valley Shook puff piece, they claimed that Aranda didn't like Canada and wanted him gone. Do you have any reaction to that?
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:39 am to Jester
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You also keep being obtuse in regards to the terms of the buyout. $1.7M + 2 years at $650K = $3M, but without the headache of ongoing litigation.
I thought it was 1.7 and done. I never saw an additional 2 years at 650K. If so, that's my mistake. The overarching narrative has been he just gets the 1.7m.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:41 am to Jester
Jest, at the end of the day, never trust someone who speaks in such hyperbolic terms
“We gonna get da best OC in America”
“We gonna have da best staff in America”
“We gonna get da best OC in America”
“We gonna have da best staff in America”
This post was edited on 1/10/18 at 11:42 am
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:42 am to TenthTiger
quote:there isn’t a sensible answer. It was lunacy.
Why did Brennan go in that game when he did?
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:43 am to Jester
I said before that Canada was a very emotional man. Usually that emotion was anger. My reaction is that it wouldnt surprise me in the least.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:43 am to TenthTiger
Completely plausible with what we’ve seen and heard so far. Keep posting.
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