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Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:13 am
Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:13 am
Name realistic candidates that could be the pelicans next head coach assuming Gentry doesn’t pan out
Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:15 am to Lemp Biscuit
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assuming Gentry doesn’t pan out
Posted on 1/5/18 at 10:26 am to Lemp Biscuit
Gentry has not panned out.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 10:48 am to Lemp Biscuit
This board regurgitates the same 5 threads everyday
Posted on 1/5/18 at 11:14 am to Cheesy Beaver
I think part of the reason for Gentry not panning out was the lack of assets the pelicans had this offseason and weak free agent class. Pelicans need a defensive coach. I’d they played any type of solid defense that they are capable of they are probably a 5-6 seed right now
Posted on 1/5/18 at 11:20 am to Lemp Biscuit
These threads are better left to the offseason. That is the soonest we will be seeing a coaching change and so much depends on the direction of the team at that point.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 11:33 am to Lemp Biscuit
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Pelicans need a defensive coach
That won't fix it. This is Thibs' 2nd year in Minnesota. He added 2 of his guys that are really good on defense in Butler and Gibson. They are every bit as bad on defense as the Pels.
Erman was able to get last year's Pels into the top 10 on defense because he had Solo and AD was forced to play center more. You want to fix the defense the roster is a lot more likely avenue.
I'm not tied to Erman, although I think he's a good coach, but whoever comes in next I'd like to keep Finch. He's helped develop 2 successful modern offensive systems, I guess 3 if you count the Pels. He's the kind of guy you want on your staff.
This post was edited on 1/5/18 at 11:36 am
Posted on 1/5/18 at 11:58 am to TigerinATL
I agree the roster has more to do with the defense than the coach.
I have never liked the hire of Gentry, and i still do not think he's a good coach, and it would be very dumb to fire him mid season, but i have no idea who to replace him with. I'm just not familiar with the coaching names out there right now.
Jerry Stackhouse is making a name for himself as a coach for the Raptors G-League team. Was Coach of the year last year.
Article on Stackhouse from August
From the few articles i've seen about him, he's expecting to be an NBA head coach soon. I liked what i've read about him.
I have never liked the hire of Gentry, and i still do not think he's a good coach, and it would be very dumb to fire him mid season, but i have no idea who to replace him with. I'm just not familiar with the coaching names out there right now.
Jerry Stackhouse is making a name for himself as a coach for the Raptors G-League team. Was Coach of the year last year.
Article on Stackhouse from August
From the few articles i've seen about him, he's expecting to be an NBA head coach soon. I liked what i've read about him.
This post was edited on 1/5/18 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 1/5/18 at 12:13 pm to Lemp Biscuit
As always, I believe the GM needs to go before the coach. I would like them to let go of Demps and then hire a young up and comer in somebody like Trajan Langdon. He can set up the coaching staff as he sees fit. Put an emphasis on scouting, the draft and get the salary cap under control. Perhaps he can bring over Chris Fleming with him. It would give us some major inroads to the foreign leagues. But they also need to find someone with some kind of local connection. The team just doesn't have any of that..
Posted on 1/5/18 at 12:22 pm to brmark70816
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young up and comer
I don't think you can do that because Cousins is a UFA and AD is already voicing his concerns. It doesn't have to be a huge name but he does have to be a bit more proven I think. He needs to be good enough and have a vision to convince Cousins to resign.
NoFox threw out Boston's assistant GM, and Boston's status is high enough now that he'd probably carry some weight. Plus if the worst happens with AD he'd know where Ainge buried the bodies so could get maximum value out of him.
Hinkie has been vindicated with The Process in Philly and before Philly he was Morey's assistant in Houston and is a big analytics guy. He's someone that I think could sell making the Pels a modern organization that AD/DC would want to stay with.
This post was edited on 1/5/18 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 1/5/18 at 12:48 pm to TigerinATL
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NoFox threw out Boston's assistant GM, and Boston's status is high enough now that he'd probably carry some weight. Plus if the worst happens with AD he'd know where Ainge buried the bodies so could get maximum value out of him.
Hinkie has been vindicated with The Process in Philly and before Philly he was Morey's assistant in Houston and is a big analytics guy. He's someone that I think could sell making the Pels a modern organization that AD/DC would want to stay with.
Mike Zarren is probably the premier GM candidate out there. Prying him from Boston would be a coup. He is in the Hinkie/Morey absurdly intelligent, analytics mold having been hired by Morey as an non-paid intern originally, but has gained a lot of basketball knowledge working with Ainge. Morey and Hinkie have consistenly praised Zarren and said he should be a GM.
Zarren is a really bright guy with vision. Also as you mention if the need comes to blow it up and start over, he knows exactly how much Ainge is willing to give up.
The big problem with Zarren is that he is a lifelong Celtics season ticket holder and huge fan of the team. He flirted with the Sixers positions before Hinkie, but stuck around and hasn't taken another interview since. They may have outlined a succession plan for him with Ainge.
But I agree with you. It is such a complicated offseason that you cannot go with an out of left field pick.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 1:01 pm to NOFOX
AD sounds like wants to be sold an organization makeover as much as a team and roster makeover. One of these 2 with their modern NBA and analytics background should be able to sell that. Shinn was holding the team back and it didn't matter who you brought in because they weren't even paying for scouts. Benson has bought a new practice facility and the TV deal gives the team more money to work with than ever before. I really don't think it'd be unreasonable to expect a good GM to build a strong organization.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 1:36 pm to TigerinATL
In my mind, Cousins is gone this summer. However that goes down, I'm pretty confident it happens. Given that the Pelicans are pretty much bottom third in the league in every major way (media, revenue, attendance, wins,payroll, etc), we need to find a young visionary that will reshape the culture of the organization. Its cool to talk about all these top names, but the team isn't going to pay staff top dollar. That has never happened. I just don't see any big splash hires going down..
Posted on 1/5/18 at 1:44 pm to brmark70816
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the team isn't going to pay staff top dollar. That has never happened
1) They've been willing to do so on the Saints side of the organization.
2) This new TV money is a true game changer. Combine that with things like the Fox Sports deal being better than the CST deal, selling naming rights to the arena and other new corporate sponsorships, and the Benson Pels have at least $25-$30 million more per year to work with than the Shinn Hornets had just 5 years ago.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 1:50 pm to TigerinATL
The NFL is just different from the NBA. It has extreme parity and the Saints are a proven winner. They are rewarded by constantly investing in the Saints. The Pelicans are a totally different situation. The Bensons got a sweetheart deal and took advantage. Now they are bidding their time to flip the team to someone else. Every team is the league will have the same type of money to work with, if not more. To expect the Pelicans to start outspending major market teams seems unrealistic..
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:01 pm to brmark70816
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To expect the Pelicans to start outspending major market teams seems unrealistic..
I don't expect that, but what major market teams will be looking for a GM?
There was a lot of turnover last year including major markets with the Lakers and Knicks. Indy, Cleveland, Atlanta, Milwaukee all had shake ups at the top and most promoted from within. I just don't see many teams that will be looking for a GM except maybe perennial dumpster fires like Sacramento. Maybe the Clippers blow it up or Riley retires, but outside of that I just don't see a ton of competition for GMs in the offseason.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:01 pm to TigerinATL
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it'd be unreasonable to expect a good GM to build a strong organization
so there are 2 different things you're talking about in your post:
1) getting a name like Hinkie or Zarren to come on board
2) finding a lesser know/proven, but still smart, capable GM to make the Pels a more competent organization than Demps has been able to do the past decade
i highly doubt #1 happens w/o a big payday, near complete control/autonomy, and assurances that spending for infrastructure will meet expectations
#2 is, indeed, not unreasonable at all
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:12 pm to brmark70816
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The NFL is just different from the NBA. It has extreme parity and the Saints are a proven winner.
The Saints were a garbage team prior to the current managment/coaching structure being put in place.
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The Bensons got a sweetheart deal and took advantage. Now they are bidding their time to flip the team to someone else.
I know this to be false. The Bensons are keeping the Pelicans in New Orleans.
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Every team is the league will have the same type of money to work with, if not more.
Every team in the league will not be looking for a new GM. While Zarren is a premier candidate, he doesn't have the track record to demand top GM money. It would not be a Phil Jackson Knicks type of contract. It is more of a question of whether he wants to leave the Celtics and if the Pelicans roster is appealing enough.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:18 pm to corndeaux
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near complete control/autonomy
What is one of the complaints about Demps? Lack of oversight and accountability. Now there do appear to be certain limitations like the Pels appear to have taken one for the team and kept an Ochsner doctor, and Duane Brooks must know where all of Payton's Vicodin is buried, but outside of "forced" organizational synergy, I really don't think an incoming GM would feel a lack of control.
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spending for infrastructure will meet expectations
They built what immediately became one of the better practice facilities in the league. People act like Benson is cheap when he isn't. He may not throw money at problems like Cuban, but he certainly isn't cheap like Shinn was. There is enough money in the system with the new league economics that a good GM should have enough to work with.
How much do y'all think a top GM costs? I honestly don't know if I've ever seen a GM salary figure outside of the Coach/GMs. If a guy like Thibs gets $10 per year I would imagine the top GMs are more in the $5ish range. They were paying Gentry + Demps together at least $5 before the new TV money started rolling in. So I don't think it's crazy for the team to pay $10ish for the next GM/HC combo with all of this new money.
This post was edited on 1/5/18 at 2:21 pm
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