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I suppose we should discuss "Fire and Fury" by Michael Wolff

Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:12 am
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:12 am
I read the excerpt last night and it's fairly damaging IMO. Tucker Carlson said last night that he knows Wolff and Wolff wouldn't report things that aren't true. Wolff apparently has hundreds of hours of tapes (on the record) backing up everything he's written.

The question I ask is "why?" Why is Donald Trump so fricking needy that he rats on himself and gives access to liberals who despise him? Why does he confide in Maggie fricking Haberman and Michael fricking Wolff?

Lots of great leaders are wildly idiosyncratic and aloof - Churchill and Reagan to name just two. If you want to include Berlusconi you could include him as well.

But why on earth would you invite these cretins into your world unnecessarily? It's Trump's greatest flaw.
This post was edited on 1/4/18 at 7:16 am
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:15 am to
Also, I wouldn't mind diving deeper into some of the anecdotes from the book, such as "nobody thought Trump would win" and that Trump himself was shocked and dismayed when the results started turning on election night. Supposedly he did not want to be President.

I don't see how this is possible - his brand was going to be in tatters if he had lost. The estimates of his new DC hotel were brutal had he lost - his debt was almost unmanageable and he'd surely have had to declare bankruptcy on it given how it would have been boycotted had Hillary won. Ditto for Ivanka - her clothing line suffered a MAJOR blow that would have been worse had Trump lost. It would have all been for not had Trump not won the election. So I find it really hard to believe that competitors like Trump and Ivanka WANTED to lose the election.

I think Wolff takes a ton of liberties. But the anecdotal stuff like the fighting with Melania and the reclusive behavior by Trump is hard to spin (not that it ultimately matters in how he performs as President).
This post was edited on 1/4/18 at 7:17 am
Posted by Strannix
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:17 am to
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In August, when he was trailing Hillary Clinton by more than 12 points, he couldn’t conjure even a far-fetched scenario for achieving an electoral victory.


He never trailed by 12 points, fake polls fake book
This post was edited on 1/4/18 at 7:18 am
Posted by WeeWee
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:20 am to
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I suppose we should discuss "Fire and Fury" by Michael Wolff



Posted by TGFN57
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Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:22 am to
Trying to mention drumph in the same breath with Reagan and Churchill in ANY way shows utter stupidity.
trump is a virus next to titans like Reagan and Churchill.
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:45 am to
Honestly could not give a shite if TRUMP was twice as crazy as this book says he is. He won the rust belt, beat Hillary, and enacted MAGA. He has given us great laughs and yuge league tax cuts. That is all that matters.

And the courts! My God he saved the courts! This is all two scoops stuff.
This post was edited on 1/4/18 at 7:46 am
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:50 am to
So Trump didn’t want to be President, reluctantly says I guess I HAVE to do this crap since I won, then proceeds to be the best President in the history of the United States? Not buying it.
Posted by Wednesday
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:54 am to
I read it too and It was unflattering to say the least.

I think Trump didn’t believe he would win - so he didn’t prepare himself for it - emotionally or work wise. The transition was chaotic. But he’s gotten it together since he hired Kelly. Nobody wants to take a loss in public. I just don’t believe that.

I think Bannon got fired and has sour grapes, and he’s good at publicity, but not politics. I think it stemmed from the fact that Bannon tried to, and wanted toncome btwn Trump and his kids for ego and his desire to run for President. I think he wanted Trump to defer to him, and him alone. Trump runs a family business. And consequently is used to relying on his kids for for advice. He was always going to be an outsider to them- to some extent. I believe that Ivanka does want to be President, which is why she went to work for him. What’s wrong with that? Hell at least she’s on his staff and a paid employee. Unlike Hillary Clinton who was First Lady, but still making policy decisions but not as a Federal employee.

If Trump was really crazy - Ivanka would have turned out like Paris Hilton. None of his children act like other entitled spoiled brats

Bannon has no business commenting on a meeting he did not attend. The thing that pisses me off the most is his speculation about that innocuous meeting. He gave no new info aside from siding with the D narrative on that.
Posted by Bison
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:05 am to
According to the White House press briefing, Michael Wolff visited he White House more than a dozen times last year. That’s according to Sara Huckabee sanders. I’m sure they will do there best to slander and discredit him however.
Posted by TigerDoc
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Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:19 am to
I agree that giving this sort of access to Michael Wolff was boneheaded on Trump's part. He and Jared supposedly talk to Rupert Murdoch fairly regularly and Rupert hates Wolff for the critical book Wolff wrote on him. Trump's reaction is going to help Wolff sell a lot more books.
Posted by cokebottleag
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:21 am to
Caught the guy has a reputation for creating quotes and situations out of thin air. It's all over his Wikipedia page. I wouldn't put much stock in his book.

Especially since the central premise is that a guy who was working on the campaign 20 hours a day for 16 months, spending millions of dollars, doing six events that day, didn't actually want to be president and wanted to lose.
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:22 am to
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But why on earth would you invite these cretins into your world unnecessarily? It's Trump's greatest flaw.


I haven't read the excerpts but if I had to guess this is probably the situation:

What is "normal' behavior and normal "business" communication to Trump is not normal to Michael Wolff. What Wolff observes confirms his bias and gets spun in his book to not only meet his bias but exceed his bias. Totally opposite would have occurred if Sean Hannity were writing this book and made the same observations as Wolff.

Two people can look at a situation and come away with two totally different descriptions. In my previous example Sean would accent all Trump positives and Wolff (as soon to be proven by his book) will accent all Trumps negatives.


Another point...Trump allows these left wing reporters access simply because he doesn't care and Trump owns the downside. If the negative reporting is true he basically says, yeah that's true. If it's false he fights back and fights back hard. He probably views that as a positive because of transparency and the thrives off of the rhetorical public fight that always follows and wins almost all the time. And given the fact that he has the bully pulpit his chances of winning these rhetorical fights are significantly high.
Posted by DelU249
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:23 am to
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Tucker Carlson said last night that he knows Wolff and Wolff wouldn't report things that aren't true.
then tucker is a moron because several things in the book have been discovered to be false and it hasn’t even been released

Posted by redneck hippie
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 6:31 pm to
I don't get how Trumpkins act like the things he's written are so unbelievable. I mean all of it sounds exactly like something Trump would do or say. It fits the persona he has perfectly. Some of you guys even admitted it is what you love about him.
Posted by tigerbait2010
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 11:37 pm to
I'm a little shocked the topic isn't gaining any traction on this board of all places.


To my knowledge Michael Wolff is well respected and wouldn't just sling shite against a wall. the details in this book are SCATHING to trump. then again, every time I think it's end for trump he just persists.


Of course I finally watch cable news for the first time in awhile to see CNN was melting, and Fox was (shocker) talking about Hillary's emails
This post was edited on 1/4/18 at 11:42 pm
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
49037 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 8:51 am to
Wolff has a long history of just making shite up, no fewer than 13 people said his book "Burn Rate" was basically a work of fiction.

quote:

In the fall of 1998, Wolff published a book, Burn Rate, which recounted the details of the financing, positioning, personalities, and ultimate breakdown of Wolff's start-up Internet company, Wolff New Media. The book became a bestseller. In its review of Wolff's book Burn Rate, Brill's Content criticized Wolff for "apparent factual errors" and said that 13 people, including subjects he mentioned, complained that Wolff had "invented or changed quotes".[8]
Posted by KingBarkus
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Member since Nov 2009
8350 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:59 pm to
Disappointed to learn Corey Lewendoski was banging Hope Hicks. This on top of finding out Katie Pavlich was married a year ago. My fantasies are taking a beating!
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