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The fundamental problem with this year's playoff and why change has to happen
Posted on 1/2/18 at 8:21 am
Posted on 1/2/18 at 8:21 am
Here's the thing. I friggin hate Bama. But, if I'm being honest with myself, I can make a "one of the best 4" argument for them being in.
But, it's a retarded argument because it's COMPLETLEY subjective. I can't "prove" it. I just "think" it.
I can also make a decent argument for why OSU should have been in. But, I hate that argument because for frick's sake, they got blown out by Iowa.
I can also make a decent UCF argument. But, that one sucks too because for Chrissake, the best team they beat all year was Memphis.
Basically, there were AT LEAST 3 teams vying for the 4th spot and even THAT is being charitable because frankly, Clemson wasn't all that this year either.
This year is exhibit A, B and C-Z of why the ONLY reason a committee should exist is to pick a couple of at large teams in a 6 or 8 team field.
My personal preference is to have 6 conferences(hey independents, join or be left out) Play 6 Conference title games. Then pick 2 Wildcards.
But, honestly, I don't think you can get the powers that be to add TWO weeks of football to the system. So, if that's the case then I think you have to simply go six conferences with 6 champs in. 2 get a bye.
Yes, this would result in seemingly lesser teams making it but that's really sort of normal in any sport and, besides, it's completely subjective.
I would rather unequal results in an OBJECTIVE no human error system than unequal results in this silliness.
I'm kind of hoping the powers in all of the NCAA are pissed as frick about an all SEC title game and it becomes the impetus for change.
But, I'm not holding my breath.
But, it's a retarded argument because it's COMPLETLEY subjective. I can't "prove" it. I just "think" it.
I can also make a decent argument for why OSU should have been in. But, I hate that argument because for frick's sake, they got blown out by Iowa.
I can also make a decent UCF argument. But, that one sucks too because for Chrissake, the best team they beat all year was Memphis.
Basically, there were AT LEAST 3 teams vying for the 4th spot and even THAT is being charitable because frankly, Clemson wasn't all that this year either.
This year is exhibit A, B and C-Z of why the ONLY reason a committee should exist is to pick a couple of at large teams in a 6 or 8 team field.
My personal preference is to have 6 conferences(hey independents, join or be left out) Play 6 Conference title games. Then pick 2 Wildcards.
But, honestly, I don't think you can get the powers that be to add TWO weeks of football to the system. So, if that's the case then I think you have to simply go six conferences with 6 champs in. 2 get a bye.
Yes, this would result in seemingly lesser teams making it but that's really sort of normal in any sport and, besides, it's completely subjective.
I would rather unequal results in an OBJECTIVE no human error system than unequal results in this silliness.
I'm kind of hoping the powers in all of the NCAA are pissed as frick about an all SEC title game and it becomes the impetus for change.
But, I'm not holding my breath.
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Posted on 1/2/18 at 8:26 am to ShortyRob
Naw. 4 teams is plenty
Dont water down the importance of regular season more
Just get rid of committee and use old BCS formula.
Dont water down the importance of regular season more
Just get rid of committee and use old BCS formula.
This post was edited on 1/2/18 at 8:26 am
Posted on 1/2/18 at 8:26 am to ShortyRob
Should c/p this to Facebook
Posted on 1/2/18 at 8:35 am to ShortyRob
Nobody should give a shite about the 4th spot.
Think of it as the old system of picking the two national championship teams but just to be sure no team who has a case of being in the championship game gets left out, they add two more teams.
The 4th place team really doesn’t have an argument for being ranked 1 or 2 and playing in the championship, so the 4th place team should just be thankful they even get a shot.
If you look at it like that, you don’t fall into the trap of feeling sorry for any team who was “left out”.
Think of it as the old system of picking the two national championship teams but just to be sure no team who has a case of being in the championship game gets left out, they add two more teams.
The 4th place team really doesn’t have an argument for being ranked 1 or 2 and playing in the championship, so the 4th place team should just be thankful they even get a shot.
If you look at it like that, you don’t fall into the trap of feeling sorry for any team who was “left out”.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 8:39 am to ShortyRob
The fundamental problem this year is that if UGA and Bama had been undefeated going into the SECCG, they both could have rested all starters and still gotten in.
That is a flawed system when only 4 of 70 odd teams is getting in and most of the evidence is against teams in the same conference
That is a flawed system when only 4 of 70 odd teams is getting in and most of the evidence is against teams in the same conference
Posted on 1/2/18 at 8:46 am to ShortyRob
quote:
My personal preference is to have 6 conferences(hey independents, join or be left out) Play 6 Conference title games. Then pick 2 Wildcards.
this low IQ hot take expired like 8 years ago
Posted on 1/2/18 at 8:54 am to ShortyRob
Bama and Georgia are the two best teams in the country. There is no debating this. Playoff got it right.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 8:55 am to ShortyRob
I like the pageantry and subjectivity of college football sometimes.
No fan in the world is as insecure as a Gump, and we don't get to experience that if we take away subjectivity.
I suppose it's about time we fix the way college football determines its champion, though.
No fan in the world is as insecure as a Gump, and we don't get to experience that if we take away subjectivity.
I suppose it's about time we fix the way college football determines its champion, though.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 8:57 am to ShortyRob
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Here's the thing. I friggin hate Bama
Finished reading right there.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 8:57 am to ShortyRob
They got it right. Deal with it
Posted on 1/2/18 at 8:58 am to ShortyRob
The fact that UCF didnt get a chance is what shows this system is broken. Everytime they've altered the way it works they use the argument that this will give those schools a shot, but it never does.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 9:00 am to ShortyRob
1.) The committee got it right this year
2.) 4 teams is not enough
The level of subjectivity at this level of sport is flat out absurd.
8 teams. P5 champs automatically play for it all. The committee should exist to evaluate the 3 at-large.
2.) 4 teams is not enough
The level of subjectivity at this level of sport is flat out absurd.
8 teams. P5 champs automatically play for it all. The committee should exist to evaluate the 3 at-large.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 9:14 am to ShortyRob
Less teams. Not More.
ETA: Clemson lost to fricking Syracuse and Bama didn't win it's own division.
I can make the argument the Rose Bowl was the Championship game and UGA is National Champs. Don't need to see Bama/UGA
ETA: Clemson lost to fricking Syracuse and Bama didn't win it's own division.
I can make the argument the Rose Bowl was the Championship game and UGA is National Champs. Don't need to see Bama/UGA
This post was edited on 1/2/18 at 9:16 am
Posted on 1/2/18 at 9:19 am to ShortyRob
The fundamental problem is that when it's left to a committee, there will always be debate and argument over who got snubbed, who should have been in instead, etc.
It happens in March Madness every year and that's a 68-team field. The difference there is that the teams complaining about being snubbed are almost certainly just fodder for the TV schedule instead of a team with a real chance at winning the playoff.
When it was just two teams there was bitching about teams getting in or getting left out. With four teams there is still bitching about teams getting in or getting left out. If it goes to 8, or 16, there will still be the same thing.
The more the whole thing is diluted then the more room for error there is in the regular season, but it certainly doesn't render the regular season meaningless either. Teams will still be fighting for the last spots, and seeding will become more and more important the deeper the field becomes.
It happens in March Madness every year and that's a 68-team field. The difference there is that the teams complaining about being snubbed are almost certainly just fodder for the TV schedule instead of a team with a real chance at winning the playoff.
When it was just two teams there was bitching about teams getting in or getting left out. With four teams there is still bitching about teams getting in or getting left out. If it goes to 8, or 16, there will still be the same thing.
The more the whole thing is diluted then the more room for error there is in the regular season, but it certainly doesn't render the regular season meaningless either. Teams will still be fighting for the last spots, and seeding will become more and more important the deeper the field becomes.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:29 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
Here's the thing. I friggin hate Bama. But, if I'm being honest with myself, I can make a "one of the best 4" argument for them being in.
But, it's a retarded argument because it's COMPLETLEY subjective. I can't "prove" it. I just "think" it.
I can also make a decent argument for why OSU should have been in. But, I hate that argument because for frick's sake, they got blown out by Iowa.
I can also make a decent UCF argument. But, that one sucks too because for Chrissake, the best team they beat all year was Memphis.
Basically, there were AT LEAST 3 teams vying for the 4th spot and even THAT is being charitable because frankly, Clemson wasn't all that this year either.
This year is exhibit A, B and C-Z of why the ONLY reason a committee should exist is to pick a couple of at large teams in a 6 or 8 team field.
My personal preference is to have 6 conferences(hey independents, join or be left out) Play 6 Conference title games. Then pick 2 Wildcards.
But, honestly, I don't think you can get the powers that be to add TWO weeks of football to the system. So, if that's the case then I think you have to simply go six conferences with 6 champs in. 2 get a bye.
Yes, this would result in seemingly lesser teams making it but that's really sort of normal in any sport and, besides, it's completely subjective.
I would rather unequal results in an OBJECTIVE no human error system than unequal results in this silliness.
I'm kind of hoping the powers in all of the NCAA are pissed as frick about an all SEC title game and it becomes the impetus for change.
But, I'm not holding my breath.
i agree completely with this idea ... everything in it ... but you don't need to add two weeks ... you need to add only 1 ... maybe not even that ... reduce the regular season to 11 games ... or even 10 ... say 'frick you' to the bowls ... conference games by the end of the weekend after tgiving ... 8 team bracket before xmas break ... two final games after that ... 8 team bracket is regionally hosted by the higher seed ... would love to see an 8 game playoff ...
Posted on 1/2/18 at 1:03 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
But, it's a retarded argument because it's COMPLETLEY subjective. I can't "prove" it. I just "think" it.
You don't know what subjective means.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 1:20 pm to ShortyRob
The solution is so simple.
6 big conferences of 14 teams each.
Each conference has 2 divisions.
All non conference games have to be against schools from one of the other 5 conferences.
Conference championships get into the playoff. That’s it, that’s the 6 teams. Don’t win your conference, tough shite. It is the only real objective measure of worthiness when all teams don’t play each other and gets rid of the BS eyeball test that people only use to for their agenda.
After that the 6 conference champs are seeded and the top 2 get a bye.
Done.
This way no one gets to stay home and back into the playoff because another team lost a conference championship game.
Teams can schedule good hard OOC games without fear of an early loss keeping them out.
The regular conference season remains critical
Conference championship games actually matter and again, a team can’t back into the playoff by missing out on the conference championship.
6 big conferences of 14 teams each.
Each conference has 2 divisions.
All non conference games have to be against schools from one of the other 5 conferences.
Conference championships get into the playoff. That’s it, that’s the 6 teams. Don’t win your conference, tough shite. It is the only real objective measure of worthiness when all teams don’t play each other and gets rid of the BS eyeball test that people only use to for their agenda.
After that the 6 conference champs are seeded and the top 2 get a bye.
Done.
This way no one gets to stay home and back into the playoff because another team lost a conference championship game.
Teams can schedule good hard OOC games without fear of an early loss keeping them out.
The regular conference season remains critical
Conference championship games actually matter and again, a team can’t back into the playoff by missing out on the conference championship.
This post was edited on 1/2/18 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 1/2/18 at 1:36 pm to ShortyRob
If LSU had gotten in the same way Bama did, you would not be griping....
Posted on 1/2/18 at 1:54 pm to ShortyRob
4 teams is certainly better than a computer picking the top 2. However, I'd still rather 8 teams.
4 quarterfinals + 2 semifinals = NY6 bowl games. Then you have the championship like you do now. P5 champs + 3 at large.
You'll always have complaining from teams who felt "left out" but with so much parity, I think 8 > 4.
4 quarterfinals + 2 semifinals = NY6 bowl games. Then you have the championship like you do now. P5 champs + 3 at large.
You'll always have complaining from teams who felt "left out" but with so much parity, I think 8 > 4.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 2:44 pm to ShortyRob
Well, I'd like for LSU to be in the playoffs just so I could see that sideline reporter do her Coach O impression.
But that's just like my opinion, man.
But that's just like my opinion, man.
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