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re: DC Shake-Up in the Works After ‘Justice League’ Stumbles
Posted on 12/8/17 at 10:29 am to Baloo
Posted on 12/8/17 at 10:29 am to Baloo
I agree with elevating Johns. As for taking from the comics...
Batman's proactive attack on R'as Al Ghul from the Summer of '72 would make an amazing Mission Impossible type of film. Even with it's depressing subtext, For the Man who has Everything is an exciting and moving story. DC/Warner needs to take a step down to the great stories, instead of going to the "GREATEST COMIC STORIES OF ALL TIME" list.
quote:Warner has been taking from the most popular stories which are, unfortunately, the deconstruction of the superhero. Dark Knight, Death of Superman, Must There Be a Superman... If they went with stories that weren't as insanely popular, we'd get better movies.
They take the best stories from the books, and then adapt them to the screen. DC takes the intellectual property from the books, and ignores the stories and most of their characterization.
Batman's proactive attack on R'as Al Ghul from the Summer of '72 would make an amazing Mission Impossible type of film. Even with it's depressing subtext, For the Man who has Everything is an exciting and moving story. DC/Warner needs to take a step down to the great stories, instead of going to the "GREATEST COMIC STORIES OF ALL TIME" list.
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Posted on 12/8/17 at 10:30 am to Sentrius
Meh....I get what you're saying but I don't fully agree. The GA will show up to watch a good film regardless of a shared universe or not. If Reeves makes a great batman film, it'll make a billion.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 10:31 am to Sentrius
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They still don't fricking get it.
The world doesn't enjoy your all-knowing insight.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 10:53 am to Freauxzen
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We didn't see the most popular character in Marvel's history until nearly 9 years in.
Who's that? Cap?
Posted on 12/8/17 at 10:55 am to LoveThatMoney
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We didn't see the most popular character in Marvel's history until nearly 9 years in.
quote:I'm guessing that he means Spider-Man. But that wasn't a creative choice on Marvel Studio's part. As soon as they could get Sony to release him they shoved him into the next available film.
Who's that? Cap?
Posted on 12/8/17 at 10:59 am to Fewer Kilometers
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The world doesn't enjoy your all-knowing insight.
Yet they still agree with me and it shows in box office numbers not being where they should be.
The DCEU needs a show runner who does everything he can to bring out the best even if it's not the most popular source material that showcases why Superman, Batman, and the rest of the league are who they are and that's why I agree with Baloo saying that Johns needs more power.
Instead, they chose to give the keys to a talentless hack who ignores or outright butchers the source material and just plugs comic book characters into shitty action movies and disaster porn and they're paying a heavy price for that catastrophic mistake at the box office.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 11:06 am to Sentrius
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Let's make it even more confusing for everyone to follow and possibly cause them to loose interest with two Batmen.
That is literally the only good thing DC has going for it though, people will never tire of Batman and Superman. They are the two biggest superhero characters ever. How DC manages to continually trip over its own dick is astounding.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 11:06 am to Baloo
I don't know much about comics, but wouldn't this be logical! Why reinvent the wheel on the movie screen?
Posted on 12/8/17 at 11:13 am to Damone
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Let's make it even more confusing for everyone to follow and possibly cause them to loose interest with two Batmen.
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That is literally the only good thing DC has going for it though, people will never tire of Batman and Superman. They are the two biggest superhero characters ever. How DC manages to continually trip over its own dick is astounding.
No one will be confused by a new actor playing any of these roles.
We've had six Batmen, three Supermen, three Jokers, three Spider-Men, two War Machines...
Posted on 12/8/17 at 11:15 am to Fewer Kilometers
what is truly mind blowing is that the animated movies for DC are so good because they simply tell a story. They could just do a Batman :Red hood or Phantasm with no issues. Their animated films are made for fans and that is where they need to go, let people accept that these heroes are here, don't bother with a origin/backstory and just run with the movie telling the best story they can.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 11:17 am to Fewer Kilometers
the reason Affleck is going to be in Flashpoint but not the standalone Batman is because Flashpoint is going to serve as a way for DC to soft reboot the universe. Reeves' Batman isn't coming out until after so the new Batman won't be as jarring.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 11:44 am to Sentrius
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DC needs to choose between stand alone and shared universe.
i dont think that they do, for the batman standalone it makes more sense to have it be a prequel anyway
WW is established so they will give her a standalone adventure but it will still be part of the universe
same for flash and aquaman depending on how successful they are
the good news is they will have to lower the stakes for these movies so it's not like "ok well where is the rest of the JL?" Which sorely needs to happen. Not everything needs to be a world threatening event.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 11:45 am to Fewer Kilometers
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We've had six Batmen, three Supermen, three Jokers, three Spider-Men, two War Machines...
Never at the same time.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 12:01 pm to Sentrius
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Never at the same time.
You really think that Warner is going to have two different Batmen in the theaters at the same time in competing films?
We've had actor replacements within the same franchises. Batman Returns/Batman Forever/Batman and Robin. Iron Man/Iron Man II. Incredible Hulk/Avengers. Throwing a new Bruce Banner at the audiences sure didn't harm The Avengers box office.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 12:17 pm to Fewer Kilometers
They really are stuck between a rock and a hard place. I don't think they will find a better Wonder Woman or a better aqua man
Cavil is also a good supes IMO. But the writing and direction of the franchise has destroyed the ability to take those good pieces and build off of them.
Now you either have to blow it all up, or randomly replace some of the actors and try to act like no one will notice
Cavil is also a good supes IMO. But the writing and direction of the franchise has destroyed the ability to take those good pieces and build off of them.
Now you either have to blow it all up, or randomly replace some of the actors and try to act like no one will notice
Posted on 12/8/17 at 1:38 pm to Breesus
Marvel just needs to have superman and Batman join the Avengers, then we will have some good DC movies.
This post was edited on 12/8/17 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 12/8/17 at 1:44 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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Warner has been taking from the most popular stories which are, unfortunately, the deconstruction of the superhero. Dark Knight, Death of Superman, Must There Be a Superman...
They took the titles, and not much else. Death of Superman was entirely different, and not in the way Winter Soldier deviated from the book: it was thematically different. All they could think of was "kill Superman" not the story behind it and why it was important.
Snyder is the guy who did the ultimate deconstruction of superheroes in Watchman and absolutely missed the point of the book. He's awful at deconstruction.
And if you're gonna do deconstruction, do Swamp Thing. Or do Animal Man. Don't pussyfoot around, give me the goods. An Animal Man movie, done right, could be huge, and actually WOULD deconstruct superheroes.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 1:47 pm to wildtigercat93
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They really are stuck between a rock and a hard place. I don't think they will find a better Wonder Woman or a better aqua man
Not to mention I really like their casting for Alfred and Commissioner Gordon (I haven't seen Justice League yet, but he at least looks the part and the man can act).
Posted on 12/8/17 at 2:04 pm to VinegarStrokes
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Not to mention I really like their casting for Alfred and Commissioner Gordon
We had the same Alfred and Commissioner Gordon through three different Batmen. Recasting Affleck doesn't mean that we lose the supporting cast.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 2:23 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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We had the same Alfred and Commissioner Gordon through three different Batmen. Recasting Affleck doesn't mean that we lose the supporting cast.
I didn't say that they would. I was responding to the person who said that they shouldn't reboot the entire universe just because they are changing batmans or because a couple of the movies were subpar. I was adding examples to their post and simply saying that they should keep the universe intact b/c of the strong casting of wonder woman, aquaman, and other characters.
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