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re: Shoeless Joe belongs in the Hall of Fame
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:42 am to SlowEasyConfident
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:42 am to SlowEasyConfident
quote:Ah shite.
An all time great who was innocent imo
Did he play for the black sox?
Do we have a legit good documentary about them?
For some reason I can't get into baseball from back then.
I feel like it was a buncha dude playing casual backyard baseball. Basically nothing to respect.
I equate it to trying to convince y'all to respect Alabama's 1925 National Championship.
They're both a joke.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 8:48 am
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:44 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Look at the numbers bro and IIRC he led both teams in several statistical categories that controversial World Series in addition to CONTINUING to hold Indians and White Sox team records for triples in a season and career batting average, had a stellar reputation as an outfielder as well
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:53 am to ReauxlTide222
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I equate it to trying to convince y'all to respect Alabama's 1925 National Championship.
Why stop at 1925...you can go at the very least all the way up to 1964 "claimed" title and probably up to 1973 "claimed" title and a little beyond.
I put in paranthenses to deliniate from uninamous titles and "claimed" non-unanimous publication titles.
It's a pasty record, eh?
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 12:54 am
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:00 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Why this situation was held up as an anathema is beyond me - except that baseball was the most popular sport at the time - and baseball had to make it legitimate and make an example
Pretty much. But also to keep heat off the other ball clubs.
The owners didn't give carte blanche to Landis to punish the Sox because they were stalwarts of integrity. An outward display of resistance against corruption protected their own interests.
Too many forget Landis wasn't the commissioner when the scandal occurred and didn't ban the Sox players until nearly 2 years later, after they were acquitted.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:07 am to nvasil1
Definitely. Unlike Rose, there was never any proof he conspired in throwing the series.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:09 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 8:46 am
Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:28 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Although all I know is from Field of Dreams
It is funny that they used Ray Liotta to play Shoeless Joe, who was from South Carolina.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:31 am to SlowEasyConfident
Interesting tidbit about the 1919 Sox, is that the two starters that were not indicted (Schalk and Collins) are both in the HOF.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:47 am to SlowEasyConfident
Yes. And Rose, and Bonds.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 7:42 am to goldenbadger08
The Baseball Hall of Fame is a complete joke keeping out all time greats like Shoeless Joe, Rose and Bonds. The baseball writers are the original social justice warriors.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:35 am to SlowEasyConfident
Of course he does.. he was sold down the river by those he trusted because he was to dumb to understand what was going on.. His numbers during the series speak for themself..
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:44 am to SlowEasyConfident
Bill James: "People who want to put Joe Jackson in the Hall of Fame are the baseball version of those women who show up at murder trails wanting to marry the cute murderer."
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:47 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Holy shite.
I don't even remember posting in this thread last night. I partied a bit too hard.
My bad for coming at you.
I don't even remember posting in this thread last night. I partied a bit too hard.
My bad for coming at you.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:32 am to ReauxlTide222
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Do we have a legit good documentary about them?
Eight Men Out is based on a non-fiction book. The movie is fun, the book is excellent, and really gets into the details of the Series.
Jackson took the money, and he threw games. The gamblers then tried to double cross the players, so the players tried to win a few games as well. In those double cross games, Jackson was awesome. He also hit a solo home run late in a game in which the Sox were already losing by something like 10 runs.
Buck Weaver really is the guy who got screwed, though he wasn't a Hall of Famer (took no money, played his best, but he knew about the fix and didn't say anything). And Eddie Cicotte probably had a Hall of Fame case, but he definitely tanked, and he tanked hard. Though Buck Weaver made a great point that Eddie Collins, who was clean, played like dog crap in the Series.
But being banned has been GREAT for Joe Jackson's legacy. It's the only reason you know who he is, while you have no idea who Dan Brouthers or Nap Lajoie are.
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