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Shoeless Joe belongs in the Hall of Fame
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:46 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:46 pm
Yes or No?
Manfred had a chance to overturn the ruling on him a few years ago and didn't.
An all time great who was innocent imo. He belongs in the Hall
Manfred had a chance to overturn the ruling on him a few years ago and didn't.
An all time great who was innocent imo. He belongs in the Hall
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Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:48 pm to SlowEasyConfident
No, cheater and a racist. If the hit king will never be let in, Jackson shouldn't be either.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:48 pm to SlowEasyConfident
Of course he does
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:49 pm to SlowEasyConfident
Yes he does. That shite happened almost a hundred years ago. Give that guy the recognition he deserves.
I would love to see Pete Rose get in, too but he can't shut the hell up long enough for the writers to have a chance to let it slide.
If Bonds and the rest of the Dopers get in then I think we start seeing the likes of Shoeless Joe and Pete Rose get in.
I would love to see Pete Rose get in, too but he can't shut the hell up long enough for the writers to have a chance to let it slide.
If Bonds and the rest of the Dopers get in then I think we start seeing the likes of Shoeless Joe and Pete Rose get in.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:51 pm to SlowEasyConfident
Does it really matter?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:52 pm to SlowEasyConfident
Joe Morgan says no
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:53 pm to SlowEasyConfident
Why should he not be?
Although all I know is from Field of Dreams.
He had a World Series-leading .375 batting average, including the series’ only home run.
He threw out five baserunners and handled 30 chances in the outfield with no errors.
Statistics also show that in the games that the White Sox lost, five of Jackson’s at-bats came with a man in scoring position, and he advanced the runners twice.
Although all I know is from Field of Dreams.
He had a World Series-leading .375 batting average, including the series’ only home run.
He threw out five baserunners and handled 30 chances in the outfield with no errors.
Statistics also show that in the games that the White Sox lost, five of Jackson’s at-bats came with a man in scoring position, and he advanced the runners twice.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:57 pm to TigerNlc
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Does it really matter?
Of course it does
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:01 pm to SlowEasyConfident
Of course he does, dude was dominant as a player
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:06 pm to SlowEasyConfident
No. He accepted a bribe. Jesus, stop watching field of dreams. I know it's the hip position to take but dude agreed to help throw a world series.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:09 pm to TT9
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and a racist.
What are you talking about? The guy didn't even own slaves.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:49 pm to ClientNumber9
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No. He accepted a bribe. Jesus, stop watching field of dreams. I know it's the hip position to take but dude agreed to help throw a world series.
It's well known he was embarrassingly illiterate and likely didn't realize he signed a waiver of immunity before the grand jury hearing. Even his reported testimony of the fix and the kid crying "say it ain't so, Joe" are more myth than documented fact. His damn teammates said he didn't do anything.
I should excuse my bias as a Sox fan, but he belongs in.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:54 pm to nvasil1
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I should excuse my bias as a Sox fan, but he belongs in.
And Landis...for baseball
And Avery Brundage for the Olympics...
Are known historical assholes.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:04 am to SlowEasyConfident
No, he admitted to taking money to lose a World Series game.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:09 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
And Charles Comiskey, who volunteered his legal counsel to represent Jackson, even though Comiskey was on Landis's side.
The Black Sox moniker also was borne by Comiskey's refusal to launder the players' uniforms, not the scandal itself.
The Black Sox moniker also was borne by Comiskey's refusal to launder the players' uniforms, not the scandal itself.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:13 am to nvasil1
So maybe he took the money - and he probably did.
Owners were cheap bastards back then.
But the stats don't lie.
There's no evidence he was in on throwing games during the World Series. If he was, he sucked at it.
Babe Ruth said of Shoeless Joe, “I copied Jackson’s style because I thought he was the greatest hitter I had ever seen, the greatest natural hitter I ever saw. He’s the guy who made me a hitter.”
I mean, c'mon? This guy isn't in the Hall? Over a very shady case in a very shady era with very shady owners.
Owners were cheap bastards back then.
But the stats don't lie.
There's no evidence he was in on throwing games during the World Series. If he was, he sucked at it.
Babe Ruth said of Shoeless Joe, “I copied Jackson’s style because I thought he was the greatest hitter I had ever seen, the greatest natural hitter I ever saw. He’s the guy who made me a hitter.”
I mean, c'mon? This guy isn't in the Hall? Over a very shady case in a very shady era with very shady owners.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:27 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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So maybe he took the money - and he probably did
And that's the thing, there was so much corruption back then and Jackson's involvement is still debated. Like you said, if he was in on the fix, he sucked.
There's an affidavit and a book about the Cubs throwing the 1918 series and sharing the idea with the Sox. The 1919 White Sox aren't a uniquely rogue team of that era.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:34 am to nvasil1
Sports has always been shady.
Why this situation was held up as an anathema is beyond me - except that baseball was the most popular sport at the time - and baseball had to make it legitimate and make an example.
Compared to boxing and later football when nobody seemed to know or care how corrupt it was.
Why this situation was held up as an anathema is beyond me - except that baseball was the most popular sport at the time - and baseball had to make it legitimate and make an example.
Compared to boxing and later football when nobody seemed to know or care how corrupt it was.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:36 am to SlowEasyConfident
quote:Was he good?
Shoeless Joe belongs in the Hall of Fame
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:40 am to ReauxlTide222
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Was he good?
See Babe Ruth quote.
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