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re: Are we really talking about a modern European country breaking apart in Civil War?
Posted on 10/10/17 at 1:01 pm to Jim Rockford
Posted on 10/10/17 at 1:01 pm to Jim Rockford
Someone fill me in on Spanish socio-economics. Are the Catalonians the ones that are sick of the pro EU crap and are doing something about it?
Posted on 10/10/17 at 1:06 pm to bamarep
Catalonia is a wealthy region of Spain, a country which has had serious economic issues the past decade or more. That is part of the issue, but the Catalans have a separate identity and a separate language. Not to mention during the reign of Francisco Franco the regional Basque and Catalan identities were brutally suppressed by the Madrid government.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 2:35 pm to bamarep
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Are the Catalonians the ones that are sick of the pro EU crap and are doing something about it?
not a chance
they are just a region that doesn't see its self as being Spanish. Culture, language etc are different and they are very well off.
It would be similar to Bavaria separating from Germany.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 3:29 pm to bamarep
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Someone fill me in on Spanish socio-economics. Are the Catalonians the ones that are sick of the pro EU crap and are doing something about it?
No. Its not really like that. If anything, Catalonians are the liberals. But Spain is very unique. In virtually all of the world, the leftists were the oppressors and destructors of society during the Cold War area. Spain, who stayed out of the war and thus the US/Soviet direct sphere of influence, had the opposite. Franco was on the right and centered in Madrid.
It has more to do with economics. Catalonia just has better economic resources. It would be something like the German economy tanking and West Germany wanting independence from East Germany since East Germany is a net dead-weight. So in that way, they are against federalism, which is similar to being against EU globalism.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 3:45 pm to bamarep
The Catalons are pro-eu like Scotland. Catalonia is the wealthiest region in the country and home to Barcelona, one of the biggest tourism attractions in Europe. Since all EU countries use the same currency, are at peace, and can trade and travel freely with one-another, the risk of partition simply isn’t there anymore. Before, regions that didn't like each other might band together into larger nation states for protection and for better access to markets, but now those concerns are largely gone thanks to NATO and the Eurozone. Look for more decentralization of the great nation states, like Germany and Italy especially, in coming years while a simultaneous movement looks to turn Europe from simply an economic union to a federal sovereign. In fact, last decade, Europe nearly voted in favor a referendum to establish a constitutional government, but Germany, France, and Italy rejected it by narrow margins, and England by a wider margin. With Brexit and rising support for a central government to deal with issues like fiscal policy and immigration, there is a really good chance the European Union could become something resembling a United States of Europe in the next 10 years.
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 3:59 pm
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