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re: Ain't no way I'm buying a phone with face recognition capability
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:58 am to Bullfrog
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:58 am to Bullfrog
UE (your phone) is always giving measurement data to nearby towers in the event that it goes into an active data state.
The diagram is a att customer calling a verizon customer or vice versa.
Your UE pings the eNB (tower). There are two planes of data involved. The control plane which sends control signaling to the network elements and the user plane which contains your data.
S1-U (User) is 100% bound by IPSec tunnels to make sure your data is protected but there have been quite a few instances where some really high level hacking has been able to penetrate these tunnels and sniff (aka download) your data and decrypt the ESP's with some fake key.
In normal conditions your call/text/media would be sent from the RAN portion (Radio) of the network to the IMS or Core portion of the network where your IMSI/MSDN is directed to the right path. The P-CRF is the policy charge rule function. It tells the core if you are allowed to proceed with data or voice depending on your subscriber plan that sits in your carriers Subscriber Profile Silo.
If everything is gucci, the core will transfer your signal to ATT or Verizon (whichever direction) and back out the perspective eNB closest to the person you are calling.
This is an extremely low level explanation. Your actual packets of data have significant meaning that I did not state.
The diagram is a att customer calling a verizon customer or vice versa.
Your UE pings the eNB (tower). There are two planes of data involved. The control plane which sends control signaling to the network elements and the user plane which contains your data.
S1-U (User) is 100% bound by IPSec tunnels to make sure your data is protected but there have been quite a few instances where some really high level hacking has been able to penetrate these tunnels and sniff (aka download) your data and decrypt the ESP's with some fake key.
In normal conditions your call/text/media would be sent from the RAN portion (Radio) of the network to the IMS or Core portion of the network where your IMSI/MSDN is directed to the right path. The P-CRF is the policy charge rule function. It tells the core if you are allowed to proceed with data or voice depending on your subscriber plan that sits in your carriers Subscriber Profile Silo.
If everything is gucci, the core will transfer your signal to ATT or Verizon (whichever direction) and back out the perspective eNB closest to the person you are calling.
This is an extremely low level explanation. Your actual packets of data have significant meaning that I did not state.
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Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:58 am to TBoy
YOU realize this technology has been around right?
Your iPhone can already sort your photos by who is in each one
Your iPhone can already sort your photos by who is in each one
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:59 am to Bullfrog
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I was thinking a real downside is the cops pull you over and open your phone by holding it to your face when you won’t give them the passcode.
I believe this is 100% illegal but im an Engineer and not a Lawyer so idk.
edit: Here's the packet layer breakdown from your phone -> RAN -> Core
This post was edited on 9/23/17 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 9/23/17 at 12:01 pm to TBoy
Android has had this for line 5 years just saying. Keep up Apple
Posted on 9/23/17 at 12:05 pm to bayourougebengal
Fwiw this is completely different technology than what has been used in android phones.
Posted on 9/23/17 at 12:18 pm to GaryMyMan
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I don’t trust that you were genuinely in the market for a $1000 - $1150 cell phone.
Dude loves his welfare so he might be getting it subsidized.
Posted on 9/23/17 at 12:20 pm to TBoy
While you're at it, send off your DNA so you can find out where your ancestors came from.
Posted on 9/23/17 at 12:22 pm to TBoy
Get your tinfoil, right here on sale!
Posted on 9/23/17 at 12:28 pm to TBoy
Was there a problem with fingerprint recognition?
Seems like this facial thing is just a gimmick to say that Apple is doing something new.
As for tinfoil hat theories, your face is already being recorded hundreds of times a day, it is already in the database.
Seems like this facial thing is just a gimmick to say that Apple is doing something new.
As for tinfoil hat theories, your face is already being recorded hundreds of times a day, it is already in the database.
Posted on 9/23/17 at 12:29 pm to TBoy
You watch to much TV baw
Posted on 9/23/17 at 12:29 pm to TBoy
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This is just a plot to create a face recognition database with everyone in it. The phone camera will see your face in every state, making your recognition by surveillance absolute. No freaking way.
What do you think?
Just wanted to let you know I was upvote #27...
Posted on 9/23/17 at 12:33 pm to TBoy
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This is just a plot to create a face recognition database with everyone in it. The phone camera will see your face in every state, making your recognition by surveillance absolute. No freaking way.
What do you think?
So when you go to get your DL renewed you cover your face?
Posted on 9/23/17 at 12:38 pm to TBoy
Read the Snowden leaks or Glenn Greenwald about the amount of collusion between tech companies like Facebook, Google and Apple and intelligence agencies like the NSA and CIA and it will rightfully frighten you.
These tech companies are perfect for intelligence spooks: they are typically led by young people who generate a youthful exuberance. Their innovations are hailed as ground breaking, giving their "progressive" employees some sense of meaning or self worth. Lastly, their collusion with the American surveillance establishment is kept hidden, as it would be bad for business.
These forms of technology are the final death blows to privacy. Because we don't value or respect privacy anymore, the 4th Amendment is dead. You can thank these tech companies for hastening that.
These tech companies are perfect for intelligence spooks: they are typically led by young people who generate a youthful exuberance. Their innovations are hailed as ground breaking, giving their "progressive" employees some sense of meaning or self worth. Lastly, their collusion with the American surveillance establishment is kept hidden, as it would be bad for business.
These forms of technology are the final death blows to privacy. Because we don't value or respect privacy anymore, the 4th Amendment is dead. You can thank these tech companies for hastening that.
Posted on 9/23/17 at 12:41 pm to TBoy
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This is just a plot to create a face recognition database with everyone in it
Same as TouchID, the IPhone keeps biometric data in an encrypted enclave chip. No database
FFS, you already prob have a forward facing camera, if they wanted to build a secret database they could simply turn it on and build a profile from that.
This post was edited on 9/23/17 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 9/23/17 at 12:42 pm to TBoy
Phones have been able to recognize faces for years already. Not individual faces, but a face. They use the front camera to tell if you're looking at it or not
Posted on 9/23/17 at 12:45 pm to TBoy
Face recognition on phones isn't new. Apple just has idiots like you in a ruckus.
Posted on 9/23/17 at 12:53 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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Apple is already refusing to help police unlock phones and you think they're building a database for the government?
This is precisely what makes it so diabolical.
This post was edited on 9/23/17 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 9/23/17 at 12:56 pm to Bullfrog
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I was thinking a real downside is the cops pull you over and open your phone by holding it to your face when you won’t give them the passcode
They recently added a feature where a button sequence (power button 5 times?) will disable all biometrics temporarily (which cops can take from you without a warrant) and replace it with passcode only, which cops can't ever force you divulge.
Posted on 9/23/17 at 1:57 pm to TBoy
Scary stuff if you ask me.
Posted on 9/23/17 at 2:10 pm to ruzil
You really think the feds need Apple's help getting into iPhones?
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