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Insight into what F King Alexander things about college athletics.....
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:42 pm
F King Alexander on College Athletics
Salaries for head football coaches are astronomical. Is there a dollar figure you refuse to surpass?
I can’t say that. I’d like to put a cap on all of them, before we’re paying a million a year to a punting coach. Or I’m going to be that punting coach.
The board did ask me when I got here, ‘How long would you stay here?’ I said, ‘As long as it takes, to become an assistant football coach.’
This environment is so fluid … I remember in 1999, I was at a Big Ten meeting. I was with the president of Wisconsin. The Big Ten agreed to put the breaks on all of this spending. Everybody got into a huddle and agreed to do it together collectively. It took about eight months until somebody hired a big-name coach and just blew open the treasure chest again. I think this is one of the biggest issues we face in intercollegiate athletics, and there is a degree of interest in effectively slowing down the spending. I think if we did, we’d see those other conferences put the brakes on it.
I do not think "Sir" gets it but coaches, especially those in three major coaches football, basketball and baseball are perhaps the only accountable people on campus.
They live and die by their "win-loss" records while professors do not give flying frick which student graduates or does not. In fact some of them would love to see more students fail.
Coaches have to not only act as coaches and mentors 24/7 to their student athletes. They are literally responsible for their players conducts, on and off the field. Try being responsible for 85 slightly slow witted, physically aggressive kids.
I earned 2 masters degrees in engineering from LSU and I do not think I have ever found a professor who even makes the slightest effort to mentor even the smartest grad students. They just sit on their high horses and pass judgement.
Coaches get fired all the time, even ones that have won national championships. Tenured faculty can not be legally fired for anything other than cause.
I could go on and on......
Piyush "Bobby" Jindal, wanted to frick Louisiana higher education, just out of spiteful ideology, so bad that we stayed fricked. That is why F King was hired without even a selection process.
Salaries for head football coaches are astronomical. Is there a dollar figure you refuse to surpass?
I can’t say that. I’d like to put a cap on all of them, before we’re paying a million a year to a punting coach. Or I’m going to be that punting coach.
The board did ask me when I got here, ‘How long would you stay here?’ I said, ‘As long as it takes, to become an assistant football coach.’
This environment is so fluid … I remember in 1999, I was at a Big Ten meeting. I was with the president of Wisconsin. The Big Ten agreed to put the breaks on all of this spending. Everybody got into a huddle and agreed to do it together collectively. It took about eight months until somebody hired a big-name coach and just blew open the treasure chest again. I think this is one of the biggest issues we face in intercollegiate athletics, and there is a degree of interest in effectively slowing down the spending. I think if we did, we’d see those other conferences put the brakes on it.
I do not think "Sir" gets it but coaches, especially those in three major coaches football, basketball and baseball are perhaps the only accountable people on campus.
They live and die by their "win-loss" records while professors do not give flying frick which student graduates or does not. In fact some of them would love to see more students fail.
Coaches have to not only act as coaches and mentors 24/7 to their student athletes. They are literally responsible for their players conducts, on and off the field. Try being responsible for 85 slightly slow witted, physically aggressive kids.
I earned 2 masters degrees in engineering from LSU and I do not think I have ever found a professor who even makes the slightest effort to mentor even the smartest grad students. They just sit on their high horses and pass judgement.
Coaches get fired all the time, even ones that have won national championships. Tenured faculty can not be legally fired for anything other than cause.
I could go on and on......
Piyush "Bobby" Jindal, wanted to frick Louisiana higher education, just out of spiteful ideology, so bad that we stayed fricked. That is why F King was hired without even a selection process.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:44 pm to axd9142a
don't want to pay a coach during the times of players pushing for further financial compensation.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:48 pm to axd9142a
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I earned 2 masters degrees in engineering from LSU and I do not think I have ever found a professor who even makes the slightest effort to mentor even the smartest grad students. They just sit on their high horses and pass judgement.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:48 pm to axd9142a
Mark Emmett understood that the football program is the front door to the university. This intellectual snob doesn't get that.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:51 pm to nerd guy
Absolutely serious. Tenured professor's are by far the most arrogant, self centered bunch you can ever find.
Besides, what accountability would they have if they can never be fired.
Besides, what accountability would they have if they can never be fired.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:53 pm to axd9142a
F King is a problem but he is not the problem. He understands that if just 1 team does it then all it does it hurt that school.
He authorized Alleva to spend the money to buyout Les and then offer big deals to Herman or Jimbo. It was Alleva who did not pursue those 2 as hard as he could and then went with O. Was F King going to let Alleva spend 8 or 9 million a year on an HC? No, but he was not going to stop giving Jimbo a 10 year deal or going to 5.5 or 6 for Herman.
He authorized Alleva to spend the money to buyout Les and then offer big deals to Herman or Jimbo. It was Alleva who did not pursue those 2 as hard as he could and then went with O. Was F King going to let Alleva spend 8 or 9 million a year on an HC? No, but he was not going to stop giving Jimbo a 10 year deal or going to 5.5 or 6 for Herman.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:55 pm to Wee Ice Mon
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Mark Emmett understood that the football program is the front door to the university.
Mark Emmert was a man of a different class at a different time for both this state and the university.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:57 pm to axd9142a
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Absolutely serious. Tenured professor's are by far the most arrogant, self centered bunch you can ever find.
Besides, what accountability would they have if they can never be fired.
Then you're a dumbass. All of us (PhD students) got excellent mentoring while there. Especially those of us working under tenured prof's. Non-tenured faculty worry so much about publishing and gaining tenure, they don't foster the growth of their students quite as well as tenured. We also collaborated with plenty of faculty in engineering and they were all great to work with. Again, maybe your adviser knew you were a dumbass and blew you off.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:59 pm to axd9142a
I understand were Alexander is coming from to some extent. At many schools, some degree of athletic expenditures come out of the same pool of money that is used to pay for the academic expenditures. If you are continuing to raise coaches' salaries then you could arguably taking more money from the academic side which, let's be honest, should be the primary focus of a university. Contrary to what some might think (especially those who didn't take a class there) LSU is not just a football program who also offers educational services.
HOWEVER, LSU is different that most other schools in that the athletic side is funded separate and apart from the academic side. Paying the football coach $5 mill a year is not "taking money away" that could be used for the educational pursuits of the school. Hell, the AD gives money to the academic side every year.
F. King needs to acknowledge that LSU (athletics) is its own multi-million dollar business. LSU (academics) is a separate (largely) state funded service. On a basic level it may not seem "right" or be a good example of proper priorties that more money (relatively speaking) is spent on athletics. But 100k people aren't willing to pay $100+ to watch 60 kids take a math test. Athletics generates outside revenue. It's a source of entertainment for which people will pay.
HOWEVER, LSU is different that most other schools in that the athletic side is funded separate and apart from the academic side. Paying the football coach $5 mill a year is not "taking money away" that could be used for the educational pursuits of the school. Hell, the AD gives money to the academic side every year.
F. King needs to acknowledge that LSU (athletics) is its own multi-million dollar business. LSU (academics) is a separate (largely) state funded service. On a basic level it may not seem "right" or be a good example of proper priorties that more money (relatively speaking) is spent on athletics. But 100k people aren't willing to pay $100+ to watch 60 kids take a math test. Athletics generates outside revenue. It's a source of entertainment for which people will pay.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:10 pm to axd9142a
Emmert was one of the best things to happen to LSU.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:47 pm to axd9142a
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I earned 2 masters degrees in engineering from LSU and I do not think I have ever found a professor who even makes the slightest effort to mentor even the smartest grad students. They just sit on their high horses and pass judgement.
Sorry you had shitty professors. I got my masters and PhD at LSU and we were like family to our major professor. We'd go to his house for events and even to his fish camp on occasion. When I had a medical problem in my first year his wife came to the hospital to check on me.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:53 pm to AA77
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Emmert was one of the best things to happen to LSU.
And you can thank Kathleen Blanco for running him off.
Dr. Emmert got tired of working under a governor who made ULL her top priority at the expense of the flagship.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:54 pm to axd9142a
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Absolutely serious. Tenured professor's are by far the most arrogant, self centered bunch you can ever find.
Besides, what accountability would they have if they can never be fired.
Kerry Sauley is a tenured professor and he is an absolute joy of a person to be around not to mention he is a worldclass instructor.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:56 pm to axd9142a
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In fact some of them would love to see more students fail.
more students need to fail.
your trans-animal gender fluid son majoring in interpretive dance doesnt get an A in calculus because she feels like she knows the material. So sorry.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:59 pm to axd9142a
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Absolutely serious. Tenured professor's are by far the most arrogant, self centered bunch you can ever find. Besides, what accountability would they have if they can never be fired.
Lsu just has terrible professors. I got my bachelors at LSU and my masters at a top engineering program and the difference was night and day. Every few professors at LSU care.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 3:00 pm to axd9142a
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Everybody got into a huddle and agreed to do it together collectively.
glad to see our President admits to colluding with his competitors to suppress wages
Posted on 9/20/17 at 3:03 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:F King's villainy was really more 2015 than 2016, when he refused to allow Alleva to fire Miles when we needed to
He authorized Alleva to spend the money to buyout Les and then offer big deals to Herman or Jimbo. It was Alleva who did not pursue those 2 as hard as he could and then went with O
Posted on 9/20/17 at 3:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
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F King's villainy was really more 2015 than 2016, when he refused to allow Alleva to fire Miles when we needed to
And then came out and told everyone that he was incapable of making the legislature and public understand private donations to the athletic dept are separate from public money used for the university.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 3:26 pm to axd9142a
It's rather perplexing to have Mr. Alexander complaining about the salaries paid to coaches only to have him fire a coach with a $10 million buyout, hire a new coach for 3.5 million with a 10 million buyout with almost squat on resume, and ibegin paying two coordinators almost 4 million.
I'm beginning to think that JA is not the only member of the LSU administration who should go
I'm beginning to think that JA is not the only member of the LSU administration who should go
Posted on 9/20/17 at 4:44 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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He authorized Alleva to spend the money to buyout Les and then offer big deals to Herman or Jimbo. It was Alleva who did not pursue those 2 as hard as he could and then went with O. Was F King going to let Alleva spend 8 or 9 million a year on an HC? No, but he was not going to stop giving Jimbo a 10 year deal or going to 5.5 or 6 for Herman.
I don't understand how F. King even gets a say so in it. It's not like the money the head coach makes is coming from him. It's coming from the boosters (other than the small potatoes part that comes from the state). Boosters should have threatened F. King that their money would dry up when he played into Governor Apu's threat to cut government money.
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