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re: ESPN is at a crossroads
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:01 am to doubleb
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:01 am to doubleb
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If they believe their current tilt to the left to social issues, and away from the balls and bats is hurting their bottom line, they will change.
I don't know. Maybe ESPN executives have already surrendered to the reality that they will not be able to maintain dominance going forward and have simply decided to solidify a niche market going forward?
I mean, that's what it looks like.
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Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:01 am to ShortyRob
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You do know that ESPN still sells advertising, right? One doesn't have to cancel their package to not watch which absolutely affects advertising revenue.
I think he means that since Hill's show is already so low in the ratings that they aren't getting much advertising dollars for her anyway.
I can see that point. They still get the subscription money regardless of how badly Hill's show does but her advertising revenue can be affected. However, if she's not getting much anyway then it's really not a big deal for them.
I think that was his point anyway.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:01 am to SlowFlowPro
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the demo they're targeting is black males and they keep trying (and failing) to get women interested in watching their shows
that requires some serious SJW nonsense
Someone did a really poor job of weighing pros and cons/costs and benefits here, I'd suggest.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:03 am to anc
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I dont watch wrestling, but there are 2 million people that pay $10 a month for WWE network. How many million would pay that for the NFL or NBA?
The WWE model is what they all think live sports will look like as of right now. There is a good podcast on this I'll see if I can find it.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:03 am to LNCHBOX
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Their ratings are down on shows outside of live events. That has an effect. The reason their ratings are down is because people aren't interested iin hearing their bullshite. To deny it is just asinine.
Their ratings are down because less people are buying their channel, which again, is cord cutters. I know you want this narrative to fit your views, I get it, it just doesn't.
But don't take my word for it, you're premise is simple, find out for yourself. Surely you can you find some credible data backing it up? If you can't that should tell you something.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:03 am to Y.A. Tittle
what is really going to kill ESPN and other channels is when the NFL or college conferences realize they can create their own apps and get all that revenue themselves
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:04 am to biggsc
I was curious about who Disney's major stockholder is... It's Steve Jobs' widow and she's a flaming lib.
I guess her thinking is a $100 million annual loss would take 100 years to deplete her money.
I guess her thinking is a $100 million annual loss would take 100 years to deplete her money.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:04 am to mwade91383
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Show me some data that says people have canceled their entire cable package because ESPN is too liberal. That's what you're insinuating.
No. What I'm insinuating is that the SJW stuff is causing a drop in ratings. The loss of ratings and loss of subscribers are different issues. For now. Ratings are going to affect ad dollars coming in. Which is going to affect ESPNs bottom line. The league rights deals are what is going to sink them, but the drop in ratings is going to contribute to that. That is directly tied to the SJW turn in their original content shows.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:04 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Someone did a really poor job of weighing pros and cons/costs and benefits here, I'd suggest.
naw
cable is the future domain of the lower SES
i think when they fully realized how bad cord cutting was going to be, they went "all in" on the demo least likely to cut
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:05 am to ShortyRob
quote:yes
I don't know. Maybe ESPN executives have already surrendered to the reality that they will not be able to maintain dominance going forward and have simply decided to solidify a niche market going forward?
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:05 am to Salmon
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Amazon and/or Netflix is definitely going to try in the future Too much money not to
This is why I don't understand ANY company that doesn't do their level best to avoid taking sides in American politics.
I don't actually think Hill should be fired for her comments(her ratings might be another story).
We've arrived at a stupid place in America where we think that failure to fire someone who has political views SOME people don't like means you SUPPORT those views. Da frick? That's just dumb.
Now, letting those views creep in on the air? Yeah, THAT would be "support". But, we really need to get off this stupid notion that we expect companies to police up personal politics because then you inevitably end up with the company policing it up unevenly.
Which then, of course, IS the company taking a stance which thereby shits on 40+% of their potential customers.
Why would ANY company that sells a mass marketed product think that's a good idea?
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:05 am to magildachunks
ESPN is already feeling a pinch because of the huge long term TV rights deals that were negotiated a few years ago, before cord cutting became so popular. So now they're stuck in a lot of those contracts for another 6-8 years while continuing to lose huge numbers of subscribers thanks to people dropping cable/satellite TV.
The more people that cut the cord, the more ESPN is going to need to get viewers watching other programming besides just live sports. They're going to need that advertising revenue from the daytime shows more than ever as their monthly cable/satellite subscriber base keeps shrinking. They won't be able to afford to continue the political BS and turning off half their audience from the daytime talk/analysis/highlight shows
The more people that cut the cord, the more ESPN is going to need to get viewers watching other programming besides just live sports. They're going to need that advertising revenue from the daytime shows more than ever as their monthly cable/satellite subscriber base keeps shrinking. They won't be able to afford to continue the political BS and turning off half their audience from the daytime talk/analysis/highlight shows
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:06 am to Salmon
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what is really going to kill ESPN and other channels is when the NFL or college conferences realize they can create their own apps and get all that revenue themselves
i think the NFL is weary of this. too much consolidation
now the NBA? maybe after this ESPN deal ends and their revenue drops by 50%
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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i think when they fully realized how bad cord cutting was going to be, they went "all in" on the demo least likely to cut
Yep, and they have already made their money off 35, 45, 55, 65 year old white guys.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:07 am to Salmon
quote:the nfl will never go PPV.
what is really going to kill ESPN and other channels is when the NFL or college conferences realize they can create their own apps and get all that revenue themselves
the nfl network was started as the first step in that plan, but it's easier and actually more profitable to just sell the rights and let the networks put on expensive productions. also, anyone can watch network tv. nfl as a pay service shrinks the consumer pie and they know this.
they'll always have a handful of games on nfl network because otherwise cable providers wouldn't pay shite for their channel.
This post was edited on 9/15/17 at 11:09 am
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:07 am to mwade91383
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Their ratings are down because less people are buying their channel, which again, is cord cutters. I know you want this narrative to fit your views, I get it, it just doesn't.
Again, the drop in ratings does affect ESPN outside of cord cutters. It's just a much smaller piece of it currently than what people want to believe. I'm sure if you look at year over year numbers for live sports vs original content shows, the ratings for the original content shows will have a larger drop in ratings as a percentage. I don't really give a shite to do that research right now, but I don't really think it's a stretch.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:08 am to mwade91383
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Show me some data that says people have canceled their entire cable package because ESPN is too liberal. That's what you're insinuating.
Data isn't going to reveal why.
But here you go.
LINK
LINK
It's no secret that ESPN is trying to expand it's demographics and attract more women. In doing so, it lost sight of who actually watched their more in depth sport shows at one time, which in fact have turned into little more than pop culture mixed with social justice.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:08 am to magildachunks
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They are still this.
True but they have lost 20% of their viewership over the last 2-3 years. That's not sustainable.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:08 am to DelU249
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the nfl network was started as the first step in that plan, but it's easier and actually more profitable to just sell the rights and let the networks put on expensive productions. also, anyone can watch network tv. nfl as a pay service shrinks the consumer pie and they know this.
while maintaining local access for the lower-middle SES
that's the NFL's bread and butter, esp with ticket prices increasing every year bigly
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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i think the NFL is weary of this. too much consolidation
I think the leagues figured this out a while ago. The NFL/NBA/MLB etc can have their cake and eat it too. They have their own networks, their own apps, their own league tv subscriptions AND sell rights to abc/espn/fox/nbc.
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