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re: For all the Climate Change propagandists
Posted on 9/7/17 at 10:57 pm to bencoleman
Posted on 9/7/17 at 10:57 pm to bencoleman
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Nobody denies that the climate changes. People question how much man is responsible for. Maybe you're the idiot.
I have a question, do you believe that the earth is getting significantly warmer?
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Posted on 9/7/17 at 11:11 pm to TiptonInSC
Posted on 9/7/17 at 11:13 pm to Tyrusrex
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do you believe that the earth is getting significantly warmer?
No. Do you?
ETA: If the earth is getting warmer then why did they change the name from Global Warming to Climate Change?
This post was edited on 9/7/17 at 11:18 pm
Posted on 9/7/17 at 11:17 pm to CajunZ81
These storms are gonna keep hitting red states until ya'll believe
Posted on 9/7/17 at 11:27 pm to CajunZ81
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No. Do you?
Yes I do. There's too much evidence from vastly different fields of science that indicate that the earth is getting significantly warmer. IF there's a vast conspiracy of scientists out there faking the data for a warming earth, it would've have to encompass forestry scientist explaining why fire seasons are getting longer, oceonagrphers explaining why oceans are getting warmer, atmoshpere scientist seeing warming in the atmosphere, agriculturalist explaining why the growing season has gotten longer by 2 weeks, glacierologist explaining why glaciers are retreating around the world. What this means is that there's a convergence of proof that the world is warming: LINK For all this data to be faked, there needs to be a world wide conspiracy of scientists in many different fields of science.
Posted on 9/7/17 at 11:33 pm to CajunZ81
You don't believe the Earth is getting warmer ?
Posted on 9/7/17 at 11:35 pm to CajunZ81
quote:
No. Do you?
15 of the hottest years on record occurred in the 21st century.
One could argue over the semantics of "significant," but there is zero question that global temperatures have been trending higher.
As to the semantics of the title Climate Change vs. Global Warming, you asking the question kinda says all there needs to be said. You are jumping into something without even looking at the basics of the topic you are hyperventilating about.
This post was edited on 9/7/17 at 11:43 pm
Posted on 9/7/17 at 11:42 pm to Tyrusrex
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Yes I do. There's too much evidence from vastly different fields of science that indicate that the earth is getting significantly warmer. IF there's a vast conspiracy of scientists out there faking the data for a warming earth, it would've have to encompass forestry scientist explaining why fire seasons are getting longer, oceonagrphers explaining why oceans are getting warmer, atmoshpere scientist seeing warming in the atmosphere, agriculturalist explaining why the growing season has gotten longer by 2 weeks, glacierologist explaining why glaciers are retreating around the world. What this means is that there's a convergence of proof that the world is warming: LINK For all this data to be faked, there needs to be a world wide conspiracy of scientists in many different fields of science.
The amount of data is not just large, its overwhelming. I mean we could just look at any weather app or forecast and get a sense just how much data is out there. There is an enormous amount of data on weather all over the world. Down to very localized details. And often multiple sources. Dozens, hundreds, of highly respected organizations all over the world looking at this data and coming to the same conclusions. And thats just human catalogued, we can also look at things like isotopes in ice core samples from all over the world and reach back thousands of years to find the temperatures at the time that water froze.
Its not even worth entertaining the arguments of people that reflexively assert temperatures haven't increased. It is literally just a signal of ignorance at this point.
And lets just expand the preposterousness further. Not only have scientists in the field examined this stuff, so have insurers, militaries, governments, and other business fields. Including the oil industry.
This post was edited on 9/7/17 at 11:48 pm
Posted on 9/7/17 at 11:46 pm to bonhoeffer45
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The amount of data is not just large, its overwhelming. I mean just look at any weather app or forecast. We have an enormous amount of data on weather all over the world. Down to very localized details. And often multiple sources. Dozens, hundreds, of highly respected organizations all over the world looking at this data and coming to the same conclusions.
This is the thing, if you accept that the world is getting wamer, then the obvious next question is why? it's not the a wobble in the earth axis that ended the ice age, it's not volcanoes, it not the sun's output. In fact, if you add up all the past causes of warming, the earth should be in a slight cooling phase. LINK So there must be another explanation for the warming. And we have an easy one in the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
Posted on 9/7/17 at 11:52 pm to bonhoeffer45
The lefties are actually the science deniers. They refuse to accept the fact that the earth has been changing for millions of years. They are so egotistical they think humans alone are responsible for any fluctuations in global temperatures.
Posted on 9/7/17 at 11:55 pm to Tyrusrex
I'm not going to wade into this debate since y'all are prolly smarter than me about this, but a University of Kentucky climate professor that happens to be a friend of mine recently told me of this website run by Retired Georgia Tech professor Judith Curry, a pretty controversial climatologist who accepts much of the evidence but insists we do not know what exactly a "dangerous" level of warming is.
LINK
FWIW, I think you can blame the doom peddlers for the American Public's seeming lack of interest in the climate change issue. When you make outrageous predictions that "in a decade cities will be underwater", etc, and those predictions don't happen, it is easy fodder for the opposition.
LINK
FWIW, I think you can blame the doom peddlers for the American Public's seeming lack of interest in the climate change issue. When you make outrageous predictions that "in a decade cities will be underwater", etc, and those predictions don't happen, it is easy fodder for the opposition.
Posted on 9/7/17 at 11:56 pm to Raylan70
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The lefties are actually the science deniers. They refuse to accept the fact that the earth has been changing for millions of years. They are so egotistical they think humans alone are responsible for any fluctuations in global temperatures.
So Raylan? Do you believe that the Earth is warming significantly?
Posted on 9/8/17 at 12:00 am to Tyrusrex
The Earth is warming yet the SE US has had an incredibly cooler than average summer. We hit the upper 50's last night in College Station, 3 weeks ahead of normal
Posted on 9/8/17 at 12:01 am to Tyrusrex
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This is the thing, if you accept that the world is getting wamer, then the obvious next question is why? it's not the a wobble in the earth axis that ended the ice age, it's not volcanoes, it not the sun's output. In fact, if you add up all the past causes of warming, the earth should be in a slight cooling phase. LINK So there must be another explanation for the warming. And we have an easy one in the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
Yep, and we can measure it. Pre industrial revolution there was something like 280ppm of CO2 in the troposphere. Today there is 400ppm. And we can measure(or at least estimate) pretty well how much CO2 and other GHG's we as humans emit on an annual basis and then add it up over the long-term.
Anyone that acknowledges the basic science, I have a hard time believing they can convince themselves that humans are not the primary driver.
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In fact, if you add up all the past causes of warming, the earth should be in a slight cooling phase.
Yep, and you can see this right now in another way as well, because if you measure the stratosphere and compare it over the long term(the part of the atmosphere that GHG's do not really get captured in) you can see that is actually the case. It is slightly cooling, like models have shown and measurements backed up, and like you point out. Whereas in the troposphere, where the GHG effect resides, you see the air warming. So if you were to try and attribute the warming to other causations, it should hold that the stratosphere should probably adhere to the same trend. But since the major variable is the GHG's, it sort of overwhelmingly points the finger at that as the causation. As your link points out in another way.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 12:10 am to Tyrusrex
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I have a question, do you believe that the earth is getting significantly warmer?
I don't know what you consider significant, but it's been warming for around 11,000 years. Including sea level rise. We are still in a warming period post Ice age
Glaciers also have cycles, they advance and retreat. Antarctic Ice just reached a record maximum though the Arctic ice is diminishing.
I don't know how much we have or have not contributed, just that everything was already moving this direction and it'll start moving the other way long after I'm gone as well. Whether we like it or not
I'm all for reducing carbon emissions I just don't like crooks hijacking the climate change narrative for their Ponzi schemes
This post was edited on 9/8/17 at 12:30 am
Posted on 9/8/17 at 12:23 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I'm not going to wade into this debate since y'all are prolly smarter than me about this, but a University of Kentucky climate professor that happens to be a friend of mine recently told me of this website run by Retired Georgia Tech professor Judith Curry, a pretty controversial climatologist who accepts much of the evidence but insists we do not know what exactly a "dangerous" level of warming is.
LINK
FWIW, I think you can blame the doom peddlers for the American Public's seeming lack of interest in the climate change issue. When you make outrageous predictions that "in a decade cities will be underwater", etc, and those predictions don't happen, it is easy fodder for the opposition.
If you are referring to "experts" as you see it to understand this issue, why are you choosing someone that exists outside of the overwhelming body consensus to rely upon?
If your kid, god forbid, came down with a diagnosis of pancreatic cancer, who exactly would you seek out to care for him? To get a more detailed assessment of the situation? To treat him? Would you seek the doctor who's last true foray into the field was in 2011 and was highly questionable at best(first and last time Judith submitted a peer reviewed paper, one that really didn't attempt to even advance any new evidence or re-evaluate old research, just push forward semantics). Or would you try and seek the best, most qualified, most credentialed doctor and hospital you could find to diagnose and treat your kid? For whatever reason, climate skeptics seem to always latch onto these people that are questionable in their relative credibility to other experts, and want to ignore the larger and overwhelming consensus. It's like picking the hospital with 5x higher mortality rates when the Mayo Clinic is equally accessible.
So why then reach for the Judith Curry's of the world to inform your opinion on this subject?
I mean its not really even that complicated to get the basic science down. The GHG effect is not controversial. Humans contribution to pushing more GHG's into the atmosphere is well documented. The shift in GHG's in the atmosphere since the industrial revolution is as well. We know what happens when more GHG's get collected in an atmosphere. We know what the rise in sea surfaces do to things like increasing storm surges, to salting deltas like in the Nile(which is the source of water and irrigation for millions of people). What increased heat does to increase evaporation and how that affects atmospheric conditions. None of this is really that controversial(or all that complicated). But contextualize those scientific phenomena into the broader issue of climate change and you trigger the frick out of a part of the population.
This post was edited on 9/8/17 at 12:33 am
Posted on 9/8/17 at 12:31 am to SevenLinesofPine
quote:Please stop
These hurricanes are planned repeat a template. But aimed this time. I guarantee it. They are two in a row hit states that were won by Trump in a landslide.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 12:35 am to texag7
quote:But you agree, that the world as a whole has gotten warmer. So the next question is why has it gotten warmer, since the earth's climate has been remarkably consistent for the past 10,000 years, so there has to be a reason for the sudden warming. Do you think it's a change in the earth's wobble? Most likely not since the time frames are all wrong. LINK Do you think it's volcanoes emitting tons of Carbon in the air? Nope LINK It's just a tiny fraction emitted by man, and there hasn't been any significant volcanic activity. Well silly you say, of course it has to be the sun. The sun makes everything hot. Nope Wrong again. The Sun's output has not changed much during this period of warming. LINK. So scientists have an answer to global warming and they've known it for 150 years, Carbon Dioxide. IF you're going to argue against them and you believe that the world is warming up. Then you have to come up with some sort of alternative explanation for the warming.
The Earth is warming yet the SE US has had an incredibly cooler than average summer. We hit the upper 50's last night in College Station, 3 weeks ahead of normal
Posted on 9/8/17 at 12:41 am to Tyrusrex
What was the earth's avg temp 2000 years ago? 4000? 10,000? 25,000? 100,000? 500,000?
shite is cyclical. The sky isn't falling. The ocean won't boil. The ice caps won't melt and drown us all.
Chill out and stop worrying about shite none of us have any control over.
shite is cyclical. The sky isn't falling. The ocean won't boil. The ice caps won't melt and drown us all.
Chill out and stop worrying about shite none of us have any control over.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 12:46 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:I somewhat agree with you. There's been a lot of hysteria about the global warming. Because things still feel pretty much the same even with all the hurricanes. But we're a bit like the frog in water that's slowly boiling as the water gets hotter and hotter. And we still don't know what kind of world will be like when it does get warmer. There's a chance that everything will become hunky dory, and every place will be like Hawaii. But this is the thing, there's two big groups that hate change. 1) Plants and Animals. When the world changes, Plants and Animals need to adapt to the new environment. And things are changing so fast, a lot of them are already going extinct. LINK 2) Farmers. Farmers, like consistency. They like to know if the land they're on, will get x number of inches of rain per year. Or what day the growing season starts and end. These things are starting to change. The most obvious ones are the droughts in the middle east, or the big heat waves on the Indian subcontinent. LINK
I'm not going to wade into this debate since y'all are prolly smarter than me about this, but a University of Kentucky climate professor that happens to be a friend of mine recently told me of this website run by Retired Georgia Tech professor Judith Curry, a pretty controversial climatologist who accepts much of the evidence but insists we do not know what exactly a "dangerous" level of warming is.
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