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re: @YesYoureRacist Twitter account revealing identities of Charlottesville white supremacists
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:23 am to HempHead
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:23 am to HempHead
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You wouldn't have much of a case, unless you didn't actually attend and someone photoshopped you in due to a personal vendetta. This is totally legal. There is a lot to be said for social ostracization (it's a far better punishment than legal repercussions), we are just on the short end of the stick on social influence.
If I got fired from my job? So people are no longer free to assemble and exercise their voice without fearing for their jobs?
If we encourage such things, its going to be a blood bath. Where does it end?
Especially if these were good employees at their companies. Where do we draw the line?
They WANT people to start making laws to restrict speech...this will be the END of our democracy if it takes root. Maybe not now, but it will be a major tool for an authoritarian rule if any speech laws get enacted. The day that happens is going to be an awful day.
People need to learn to allow others to express their opinions no matter what terrible they might be. If those opinions become actions THEN you can make your move, but unless that happens this needs to stop.
White supremacists should be free to do this in peace. IDGAF what you say. So should satanic worshippers be free to worship satan in peace and speak about it in peace. If you don't believe this, then I don't want to live in the country you think we should have.
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Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:27 am to tiggerthetooth
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If I got fired from my job? So people are no longer free to assemble and exercise their voice without fearing for their jobs?
That has never been protected. You just can't suffer a punitive legal action for it.
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White supremacists should be free to do this in peace. IDGAF what you say. So should satanic worshippers be free to worship satan in peace and speak about it in peace. If you don't believe this, then I don't want to live in the country you think we should have.
I agree, but someone who runs a business may not. If they feel that an employee is affecting their public perception, they have every right to act in their interests.
The real problem (and it's not really applicable to this case, IMO) is what counts as acceptable views or behavior.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:30 am to tiggerthetooth
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So people are no longer free to assemble and exercise their voice without fearing for their jobs?
Problem being the only way to prevent this is to legislate against the free speech of everyone else.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:42 am to tiggerthetooth
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Especially if these were good employees at their companies. Where do we draw the line?
As soon as they were outed they no longer became good employees, but a walking time bomb of a lawsuit, which is why they were fired. Which is the exact reason why Google fired that guy everybody was defending his free speech for his letter attacking women. Every female that he works with now suddenly had a case for a hostile work environment. That guy just made himself radioactive and had to be let go. Same thing goes with these idiots.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:56 am to tiggerthetooth
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If I got fired from my job? So people are no longer free to assemble and exercise their voice without fearing for their jobs?
If we encourage such things, its going to be a blood bath. Where does it end?
I don't know where you live, but if it is in one of these states:
...And frankly most of the others as well. You probably already have had a long standing arrangement where your employer could rather easily fire you for exercising your voice or assembling in a way they disagree with.
It is that foundation that allows people that seek to shame and punish you for the way you voice your opinion to have that success.
It should also be noted that freedom of assembly and freedom of speech is not a guarantee of freedom from consequence.
I do not know what you could propose to stop this sort of modern day pillory or scarlet lettering? At least that wouldn't itself run into 1st amendment restrictions.
I say this as someone that is rather sympathetic to your angle of concern. One of the unique(and potentially troubling) aspects to this in the digital age, is that the footprint such an incident leaves, could theoretically prevent a person from ever having a true second chance in life. But if history is any indicator, my money would be that the long arc of this will bend back toward compassion over vengeance. As happened in colonial and early post-revolutionary towns that began to see some of the harsh tools of social shaming as cruel and out dated.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:57 am to tiggerthetooth
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So people are no longer free to assemble and exercise their voice without fearing for their jobs?
That was never the case
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White supremacists should be free to do this in peace.
They are, and their bosses are free to fire them.
This post was edited on 8/14/17 at 1:58 am
Posted on 8/14/17 at 3:16 am to tiggerthetooth
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So people are no longer free to assemble and exercise their voice without fearing for their jobs?
frick no. We gave that up when we decided to put cameras on our phones and all get Facebook accounts. As another poster pointed out Google Justin Sacco. One dumb tweet and her career was ruined.
This post was edited on 8/14/17 at 3:17 am
Posted on 8/14/17 at 6:35 am to tiggerthetooth
In your world, are their employers then forced to be associated with the views of its employees due to the employers inability to fire them in situations like this?
Or should they be free to part with employees who do not share their values?
Or should they be free to part with employees who do not share their values?
This post was edited on 8/14/17 at 6:45 am
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:30 pm to tiggerthetooth
quote:Interesting. I'm sure this is your view as well when the stories pop up now and then of a fast food employee refusing to serve cops?
If I got fired from my job? So people are no longer free to assemble and exercise their voice without fearing for their jobs?
If we encourage such things, its going to be a blood bath. Where does it end?
Especially if these were good employees at their companies. Where do we draw the line?
They WANT people to start making laws to restrict speech...this will be the END of our democracy if it takes root. Maybe not now, but it will be a major tool for an authoritarian rule if any speech laws get enacted. The day that happens is going to be an awful day.
People need to learn to allow others to express their opinions no matter what terrible they might be. If those opinions become actions THEN you can make your move, but unless that happens this needs to stop.
White supremacists should be free to do this in peace. IDGAF what you say. So should satanic worshippers be free to worship satan in peace and speak about it in peace. If you don't believe this, then I don't want to live in the country you think we should have.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:55 pm to tiggerthetooth
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If I got fired from my job? So people are no longer free to assemble and exercise their voice without fearing for their jobs?
Freedom of speech only guarantees the government won't prosecute you for what you say. Doesn't mean that you'll be free from consequences. If you do something that reflects poorly upon you and your employer, your employer has the right to terminate you in a right to work state. That's why Kaepernick can't get a job...teams think his employment would be toxic from a business standpoint because of negative PR they'd get and potential fan boycotts.
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